Singer hates Cyclops, he will never really be portrayed properly in one of his movies.
Besides, Emma Frost is fucked, their relationship made Cyke much more interesting as a character and that’s impossible to do now.
I don’t see what they can do with the character anymore other then beating the dead horse of Jean/Scott relationship and maybe some stuff with Corsair. Cable would be extremely awkward since Scott is still a teen and will be a very young adult at best by the next movie.
their relationship was only interesting because scott became stale and played out. he hasnt even been given that chance in the movies yet. he was barely the leader before a massive retcon and he wasnt close to the boyscout yet.
Well yeah…I mean, most people I’ve talked to/heard talk about DOFP seem to think that bit would’ve been a lot better if it was actually Striker there instead of Jennifer La-Mystique pretending to be him, lol.
Emma being a bitch also helped. She is very enjoyable to read just as a stand alone character, but her bickering with the rest of the X-Men was gold.
And then Bendis came…
(I genuinely chuckled at Emma’s description of T’Challa’s mind.)
I’m not sure where you guys have been, but Cyclops has always gotten fucked over, non-stop, ever since Wolverine appeared and started getting popular. So as much as Singer is to blame for most of the bad or otherwise mediocre aspects in most of the X-Men movies, he’s not to blame for that; if anything, beyond making Scott the younger brother of Alex instead vice versa and thinking Scott’s power is a laser beam like everyone else instead of a kinetic force beam, he’s actually being accurate there unfortunately. Scott literally just can’t win as far as Marvel caring about him is concerned, to the point that it’s pretty telling that he basically only stopped getting shit on (as hard) after he basically snapped and (finally) became “evil” so that Wolverine could be presented in an even better light than he already was for being a hairy, midget homewrecker.
Hell, Scott’s relationship with Emma is arguably character derailment for both of them, especially since it was forced on them by the Phoenix from 150 years in the future towards the end of Morrison’s run right after Jean died because yet another bad future supposedly would have happened otherwise. [/try taking that true line seriously]
It doesn’t exactly help that there are basically no non-evil therapists in Marvel’s universe (beyond Doc Samson?) given that Emma (and probably Scott too) basically is only such a bitch because she a) has untreated survivor’s guilt from multiple things, including being present during the whole Genosha genocide thing, and b) expects everyone to hate her anyway, especially given how she was with the Hellfire Club when she met a good majority of the senior X-Men and given how even the closest things she can have to daughters, the Stepford Cuckoos, somewhat hate her too. I mean, it’s not like she’d magically become a good person or anything even if her issues were worked out, but from what I remember, during Generation X, she was more or less a decent enough person and teacher compared to how she’s basically been reduced to “oh, naughty psychic sexpot in impossible white outfits full of BDSM implications. How empowering!” now.
Meh. Again, this is part of why I stopped bothering with the Big Two’s comic-books: way too much bullshit.
The Singer hate in this thread isn’t anything new. He’s never been much liked around here, though he’s not as loathed as some other directors rightfully are like Snyder or Boll.
Well yeah, I mean he’s certainly not Uwe Boll. Or Michael Bay at that, where pretty much the only good thing he’s ever been involved in is Black Sails.
Yeah, Cyclops went celibate. Jean needed to get some of that D, so
(Ugh. That instance of “anyone” in that last post was supposed to be “her anyway”. That and other typos have been fixed.)
Michael Bay also was involved in I Am Number Four, which was decent enough to me, at least compared to the other tripe he’s been involved in, but otherwise, yeah, I’d agree he’s probably more loathed than Singer around here. He’s doubtless more loathed in general given what he did with Pearl Harbor alone, to say nothing of the additional if lesser horrors of the Transformers and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles films.
For the record, Cyclops had Jean Grey, Emma Frost, and friggin’ Psylocke…
Psylocke!!
That is equal to, if not better, than ANYTHING Wolvie has ever had lol.
Edit: Bonus points for also doing Jean Grey’s clone. No version of Jean Grey exists that Cyclops hasn’t done lol. Can’t say the same for Wolverine.
And let’s not forget…
Badass…
it was ok
cgi wasn’t that good, but it was ok. I was hype at first because hey, celestials. and thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
nope lol
so whatever
Cyclops has to stay ass tier until they can negotiate a deal with
Just finished the movie and it was mediocre at best. The movie as a whole wasn’t cohesive, and felt like a bunch of ideas just strung together. From a comic lore perspective they fucked up a lot of characters, such as Psylocke, Archangel, and Nightcrawler. Those are some of my favorite characters in the X-Men universe during the early 90s, and this movie doesn’t do them justice. With the way they were portrayed in the movie there really wasn’t a point to including them outside of fanservice. Michael Fassbender does an amazing job as Magento once more, and he was probably the highlight of the movie for me. He was the only character that got any meaningful development in the movie.
since more people have seen the movie…
Is this worse than BvS, because I think it is worse.
The only character i thought was portrayed well on screen was Magneto and maybe nightcrawler to a degree, the rest were complete garbage.
So glad the new alice movie came out today also. Now I can see both!
A lot of characters did shit in this movie, imo, but Apocalypse was a big offender. It’s mother fucking Apocalypse so he should giving off this omnipotent feeling but he didn’t. I think the problem was that they were using Apocalypse as a bit of an origin story for other characters, who are far too young to actually be taking on Apocalypse. Apocalypse should have been done farther down the line but my problem with that is I don’t like the majority of the cast choices for the adult X-Men so it would have been worse, imo.
List of Issues I had with the Movie:
Origins and powers of multiple characters were not faithful to the comics. Yeah, I know hoping for any consistency with the comics was out the window, and deviations from the comics didn’t hinder my enjoyment of other comic movies. However, they were using some of my favorite childhood characters, and completely fucked them up. Psylocke’s powers are telekinetic and while she is able to form a telekinetic katana later on and do physical damage the movie downplayed her telekinetic powers. She also didn’t really have any reasoning to join Apocalypse and generally felt out of character. Nightcrawler’s origin is pretty much out the window since Mystique should be his mother and his father Azazel was killed off. Angel being an original member of the X-Men and then getting changed into Archangel only to have a vendetta against Apocalypse afterwards being thrown out the window in this universe.
Weapon X - As someone pointed out earlier, you had Mystique disguised as Stryker picking up Wolverine from the river at the end of Days of Future Past, yet he ends up getting experimented on by the real Stryker. I know they wanted to maintain this part of the story to keep continuity with X2 but ended up with a plot hole instead. The whole scene with Weapon X was more of an Easter egg than an actual setup to anything since the third Wolverine movie is going to take place in the future or something.
A minor gripe but I wished they kept the full helmet of Weapon X instead of this circlet in the movie. Obviously, they wanted to show off Hugh Jackman’s face during the whole sequence due to Star Power and Hollywood. They could have easily done the full helmet and then have Jean take off the helmet at the end of the scene to reveal Logan.
The entire group didn’t seem shocked or scared at the carnage that Wolverine left. It makes no sense for the teenage Scott, Jean, and Kurt to be perfectly fine with all of the killings that occurred. Kurt was the only one showing some sort of shock; however, you would think Jean would have been affected by it more since she ultimately caused the death of those soldiers by releasing Logan.
Phoenix - Origin story is completely off and I don’t like them trying to rehash it when it caused X3. It actually felt a cop out so they had some way to kill Apocalypse.
Quicksilver scene - While entertaining it felt like it was included in the mov’hey people loved this scene in days of future past so lets do it again’. Convenient plot device to re-introduce Quicksilver to the story, and have him play a role for the rest of the movie. I’m disappointed they didn’t use Scarlet Witch and I thought his new daughter would be Polaris until they jobbed her and her mother.
No cohesion with the movie. It just felt like they jumped from one scene to the next without anything tying the scenes together.
All your points especially 3 and 5 were similar issues I had with BvS.
About that Quicksilver scene…
How did he know the mansion was gonna explode so he could save everybody? Cuz the explosion surged from the Cerebro room, and I doubt Quicksilver had any insight of what was going on down there…
(Lantis, why would you have expect logic from a Singer movie?)
realizes that RockBogart never answered the Quicksilver question
Gods damn it, Rock.
…And? There’s a difference between saying “Cyclops never got anything”, which is not what I said, and “Cyclops constantly gets shit on by the Marvel universe”, which is what I said.
So he’s slept with some (arguably) attractive women. Woo-hoo. Obviously that must mean the rest of his life must be peachy keen since having sex is all that matters apparently. It’s so clear now. [/heavy sarcasm]
Jean Grey is not arguable.