I will trust harry knowles review. I think it should be ok
Also anybody who is grieving the death of his wife and child become a psychopath in the movies.
I see this movie being entertaining, with enough lightness from pietro and enough cool action to make it worthwhile.
Also everybody will be hype for time traveling dead pool interjecting himself in scenarios from old x-movies
Its really getting stupid. Why are there no repercussions for fucking up a franchise?
Like. I want people to PAY for messing up the movies. In the right hands this shit could have been epic.
If only George Lucas cared enough to touch the franchise. I dont even think he would want his name attached to what it is now.
(Meh. Iâll wait until to the movie comes out to actually read reviews, though I seriously doubt Iâll be seeing it at this point, which was already the case even before the reviews came out.)
That said, did you really just lament there be repercussions for fucking up a franchise and then bring up George Lucas as an example of a potential savior after what he did to both Indiana Jones and Star Wars, @âyah yaaah b*tch!â?
If so, then I think this may be the most appropriate time to use a monosyllabic reaction: âWhat.â
Yeah I would take the new generation Star Wars films over the SHITE that have been literally every Marvel movie since X1.
Cmon mate youre taking the piss if youre implying that the Marvel movies are anywhere near the production value of even the WORST Star Wars movie in the franchise.
At least the new movies still reference the source material. Not just whatever the director feels like doing.
Yeah Iâd love some movies where Mutants and Humans work out trade agreements while an awkward and terrible romance between Logan and Jean plays out because reasons.
Would be hype.
(I am reminded why I wasnât bereft of your absence, yah.)
âI hate adamantium. Itâs cold and heavy. Not like you,â Logan said to Jean, moistening panties of all the women in the audience.
Thereâs so many things wrong with this argument that I almost donât know where to start:
The Star Wars prequels are universally derided as shitty movies by anyone who isnât essentially sycophantic for George Lucas and are the horrible way they are because of George Lucas getting too involved and coming up with horrible ideas like Jar Jar Binks and horrible dialogue like âOnly the Sith deal in absolutesâ without anyone checking his largely talent-less ass..
Meanwhile, for all the talk of numerous issues with the X-Men movies, the only universally derided X-Men are X-3: The Last Stand and Wolverine: Origins. Thatâs one less movie than aforementioned âSaviorâ's terrible outings, which arenât even counting the previously alluded to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull that he helped convince Spielberg to make.
The X-Men movies hardly encompass all of Marvel movies that exist, much less âliterally every Marvel movieâ.
X-Menâs production values may be admittedly questionable at times, but having unlimited special effects doesnât necessarily make a good movie either unless youâre just one of those moronic people absolutely wowed by anything and everything shiny. The aforementioned Star Wars prequels are absolutely bloated with utterly unnecessary CGI effects because of George Lucasâs idiotic fascination with them; that the re-"mastering"s of the original trilogy are plagued with unnecessary CGI additions are an even greater travesty and I say this as someone who doesnât even really care for Star Wars.
Similarly, going off track from the comic books was hardly the most significant problem for even the worst of the X-Men movies, especially given how utterly convoluted X-Men comic book history is. Outside of Days of Future Past, most of the X-Men movies, including the one just released, donât really reference X-Men comic book plots more than moderately at best. For example, as already stated in here multiple times, neither Storm nor Magneto were ever Horsemen in the comicsâthat only happened in Evolution; I donât think Psylocke ever was either, but I donât feel like checking right now.
If anything, then George Lucas would make the existent problems with the X-Men movies even worse, especially if weâre talking about poor plots and character decisions being the main issue with the movies. So anyone is âtaking the pissâ, âmateâ, itâs you (as per usual).
George Lucas is not talentless. People who say that shit make me think they dont know shit about Lucas. All they know about him is Star Wars. I feel bad for the guy he didnt even want to direct the prequels, he asked Steven to do it and Steven convinced him to do them himself.
Agreed. As bad as the prequels are, they do not outweigh the contributions he has made to filmmaking.
These guys have a X-comics related podcast and have some interesting pointsâŚ
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(I will read the above review later when less tired/distracted.)
Sigh. How did we get into discussing George Lucas in here of all places? Even with Marvel and Star Wars both being owned by Disney nowadays that seems a bit of a stretch.
Iâll admit that âtalent-lessâ may well be a bit of hyperbole, especially since Iâve constantly admitted that I never ever really cared for Star Wars even before the horrible prequel movies came out. That said, I donât care to learn more about George Lucas at this time and my point still stands that yah acting like George Lucas would be some type of franchise savior for X-Men even with the notable problems that Singer has is bullshit thatâs easily proved on a number of levels, especially since even if what you say is true, Spielberg still didnât force Lucas to go through with the horrible prequel movies.
So yeah, to me, George Lucas is âonlyâ Star Wars and if how badly he mangled his own series when finally given free reign is any indication, then I donât want him touching anything else, whether heâs truly âtalent-lessâ or not.
For all the hate on the Star Wars prequels, I didnât think Episode 3 was THAT bad. I meanâŚgranted, I donât think you couldâve really worked anything better than decent out of it considering what it had to work with from the first 2 prequel movies, but I didnât âhateâ it.
And I do agree on comic book continuity being convoluted as hell and all over the damn place. I mean, if you do something thatâs true to one comic book continuity, itâs contradicting like 5 others. I mean hell, it kept going back and forth on the whole âScarlet Witch and Quicksilver are Magnetoâs kids!â bit with âNo theyâre not!â âYes, they are!â, âNo theyâre not!â what seems like a bunch of times, just to give an example. Oh, and just because we were talking about special effects earlierâŚthose claws in X-Men Origins: Wolverine STILL make me laugh to this day. JustâŚdamn.
The prequels arent even that horrible a set of movies. Their not amazing but i can think of hundreds of movies far worse, and a lot of what was created for those movies are filming standards today. The use of digital film recording started with those movies for example. A lot of the reason cgi is anywhere near as good as it is today is because of those movies. George is a pioneer and a visionary. People bitch about the over use of cgi (and yes they have a point) but thats George doing the exact same thing he did with the OT, push the currently available tech as far as it can go while creating new tech to do what the current canât.
And man you had no problem dumping all the blame on George for convincing Steven to make a new Indiana Jones but when Steven convinces George to do something it all falls on George? Fuck that noise.
All you have to do is read any X-Men characters Wikipedia page to see how convoluted and frankly silly a lot of aspects of that universe really are. Seriously, go take a quick look at Cableâs Wikipedia page.
People complain about filmmakers not respecting the source material and but the comic companies themselves donât really respect it either. Thatâs why you have constant retcons and reboots. None of this shit is set in stone.
Fucking hell donât post reviews that reveal shit
I think if this movie came out right after bvs it would have better praise
However, following Civil War. Nah.
So then what does that say about FOX knowing this and falling into the same fucking pitfall in their cinematic universe??
Though with that said, weâre supposed to be invested in characters in Apocalypse who have had a whopping 2 movies (some being introduced in this movie) to grow and barring the obvious 2 have had no real meaningful development.
Fine, you donât care about source material (Bryan Singer infamously forbade people from reading the comics) then you better well have characters and stories, based around a group of people where every movie is essentially a team-up movie, that we actually give a fuck about. That has not been the case as Mags and Xavier are the only characters with substantive development over the course of this trilogy.
This universe doesnât have the benefit that the MCU has of individual characters teaming up every now and then as the story of the X-Men has always been about the interactions between that of a team.
FOXâs rush to get to their âbig badâ face-off is bad enough, but to get to that point with not enough invested in most of the characters to even care about this impending apocalypseâŚ
Thatâs been the issue this entire time.
Ainât no way this would be worse than X3âŚ
I agree. But being seemingly lackluster compared to being shit is still kind of bad.
X-Men should be one of the easiest properties to do well with, as the first two films and First Class proved⌠Itâs an entire team of Spider-Men⌠Just let them be kids with powers trying to do the right thing and let their characters shine.
Nope. Canât do that. Gotta try(and fail) to copy someone elseâs successful formula that has had 8 years and 13 films and try to do the same thing in 5 years with threeâŚ
And Fox wonders why no one likes them with these comic properties⌠Deadpool is looking like even more of a miracle than it already was.
(The main reason Deadpool was anywhere as good as it was solely because Fox basically wasnât involved in making it beyond distributing it for the most part. Hell, they were standing in the way of it being made for the longest time. That movies greatness is all Ryan Reynolds and co., but thatâs an entirely different thread.)
As far as the âprequelâ X-Men movies go, I actually thought First Class was âmehâ at best, especially after first contact with Shaw. None of the âkidsâ, as you call them, were all that likable or memorable, if only because they never really got to do much outside of Spotlight Stealing Squad Mystique being ârelatedâ to Charles now. Hell, the (black) guy whose power is literally âadapt to anythingâ died first among mutants, the only casualty in that movie on the âheroâ side, and the only real reason that this version of Beast was likable is because Nicholas Hoult is a good actor. Otherwise Havok, Banshee (god, I forget he was even in the movie), and Angel, like the rest of the âvillainâ side not named Shaw, are just kind of there and Angel goes (ineffectually) âevilâ the first chance she gets despite Shaw just killing Armando with Mystique following not to long after despite her brother just being crippled.
Ugh. Unless you were a fan-fiction writer or someone else who thought Michael Fassbender looked âso dreamyâ as Magneto, First Class was such wasted potential really.
Of course you can say what I marked in bold, because there are literally millions of movies, so that line is basically meaningless, especially since just because they are worse movies than the Star Wars prequel trilogyâI never said there werenâtâdoesnât magically mean that the Star Wars prequel trilogy is suddenly good by any metric. I mean, thatâs like saying âwow, Michael Bayâs Transformers are such good movies because theyâre not as bad as Transmorphers or his earlier tripe like Pearl Harbor.â YeahâŚno.
To me, the only good things that came out of Star Wars prequels story-wise were all relegated to the related animations, unfortunately.
As for Lucas pushing the âtech of the dayâ as far as it could go, yes, I am aware. Heâs hardly alone there though. Additionally, part of the reason that the original trilogy was good as it supposedly was, however, was due to the fact that Lucas didnât have free reign there like he did with prequels, which was my main point. The manâs not Movie Lucifer or anything like that. I wouldnât even say that heâs a âbad personâ as far as his personal life goes, in part because itâs inconsequential and in part because I donât know or care enough about him to even comment on that. I just donât see him as nearly as âvisionaryâ as a lot of people like to credit him as even I wonât deny that heâs done some good for filmâI never said he didnât.
Again, the crux of this argument was pointing out the flaws in yahâs argument that Lucas is some kind of film savior when weâve already seen just how horribly he can fuck up with a property that he actually knows, much less a severely convoluted property with literally hundreds upon hundreds of characters.
What? When did I say that The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull entirely fell on George Lucas? Please tell me where, because if I implied that, much less explicitly said that in my tiredness this morning, then Iâll go back and amend it. Iâm fairly sure I didnât though. I merely said that George Lucas played a part in its shittiness by helping to enable Spielberg when it came to that garbage, just like how Spielberg helped enable him with the prequels even if he refused to direct them. The bulk of the blame for The Crystal Skull definitely lies with Spielberg, but itâs not like Lucas didnât help play at least a small part in that trainwreckâthatâs all.
@TheDamned, You didnt like First Class?
Iâd wager most of the people on SRK who DONTâlike Singer/Fox love that the most.
Interesting.
Which of the 5 âmainâ X-films do you like the most (or hate the least lol)?
(By the âmainâ 5 X-films, Iâm assuming weâre talking X1, X2, X3, First Class, and Days of Future Past.)
I didnât hate First Class, but Iâd be hard-pressed to say Iâd actually liked it for the reasons I gave above, especially if you get into the weird sub-text that comes with the constant comparison of mutant rights being like real world civil rights movementsâŚwhich means this particular one ends up being headlined solely by white people, sort of like the current SJW âmovementâ of stupidity. I donât know, that movie just left a weird after-taste in my mouth, even if itâs not outright bad like X3 was. I actually think I like X1 more than First Class even if X1 was sort of boring; I certainly like X2 more than First Class.
As for which X-Men movie I âlike the mostâ or âhate the leastâ, itâs probably Days of Future Past at this point, if only because it literally undoes the horrors of X3 and Wolverine: Origins, at least as far as them affecting the rest of movie canon goes. That movie still had at least a few story issues, mostly just Mystique being an idiot and no one, even Charles, really ever calling out Erik on his utter fucking hypocrisy. At the very least, it gave us a better version of Quicksilver than Age of Ultron apparently did, even though Quicksilver in Days of Future Past was apparently tacked on at basically the last minute as an act of spite.