It is exactly because he failed to let the franchise die, that he gets no respect.
Let it die, let Marvel have the rights back. This should be very simple for people to understand, but hey, y’all seem happy with these cosplay-tier films for some reason.
It’s better that the X-Men stay on a different studio and universe. More movies from more licenses and less overcrowded crossover films.
How many crossover films??
3, counting Civil War, in only 7 years??
I’d say that’s damn good considering how many movies Marvel releases.
DC has only one movie in their continuity and they’re already doing a crossover film.
Just like many others, I hope they do some sort of MSP combo. Could be like Psylock knocking up somebody, magneto then launching some metallic projectile into his stomach, then storm electrocutes him.
LOL. You marvel fans are confirmed pussy. Look how light yall taking this garbage ass trailer/movie. With your hopes and dreams.
Man, ive been defending superman, and lately supergirl to the bone lately. There aint no type of letting up on the upcoming movie, and current tv show. Niggas just hating outlandishly, but in here, the pussyfooting is real.
Fuck this movie, and singer. Dudes into teenage boys, and we’re suppose to be shocked by this nancies take on xmen once again.
**Xmen franchise is worse than dollar general aloe vera lotion. Id rather go on a first date with hot dog greased rubbed on my arms and legs, than see another xmen movie. **
Yeah, but imagine how many crossovers there would have to be if X-Men was at Marvel. Not only Avengers movies but Avengers/X-Men events too. And X-Men could use some “spin-off” team movies too.
If X-Men was at Marvel Studios we would have zero chances of seeing X-Force or Deadpool or New Mutants because Marvel would be too busy with their other properties (or it would be the opposite, no “less known properties” movies like Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man, which turned out to be great). Also the MCU would be much more outlandish and complicated because of the shitload of mutants around and there would be much more discrepancies because mutants and X-Men wouldn’t be involved in many other movies (example ‘why don’t they pop up in Avengers movies?’).
X-Men are much better in their own universe and different studio. More movies for everyone (sadly some of them suck, but others are terrific), and less complications.
Wow, what a great guy you are, give this man a medal, he’s been doing so much good to the world.
DCCU Supes is garbage and Supergirl is meh at best. Could be a solid show, but everything related to Kara’s job is complete trash.
Supergirl is aimed to a younger and mostly female audience. Superheroes don’t necessarily have to be them aimed to the same audience. I’m pretty sure many women consider superhero movies to be “mind-numbing action oriented”. Let them have their toy too.
This is flawed thinking.
Young Justice’s loudest fans were Tumblr fangirls who thought the Conner/M’gann thing was cute and liked seeing the kids grow up over the course of the show. Those same broads tune into the Flash and Arrow every week.
DC’s film AND TV division are constantly fucking up, Flash and Arrow are the exceptions, not the rule… Just like Fox can’t do anything right concerning their Marvel properties outside of two and a half X-Men movies and giving Ryan Reynolds Deadpool.
I watched Kingsman dude, I know he declined to direct DoFP and chose to work on that instead. I know he’s not involved with this either, I’m just referencing him because it looks like DoFP worked because they(Singer and Kinberg) were going off of the framework he setup in First Class.
I would be happy if the rights went back to Marvel. But FC and DoFP were good films so I can’t get mad at them for it.
Now Fantastic Four deserved to go tits-up, that was the universe’s way of telling Fox to let that shit go and give it back to Marvel. They scrapped the idea of a sequel to that failure, fingers-crossed that they don’t get any stupid notions of hope for a re-reboot.
For those who don’t know, Apocalypse’s technology was lent to him by the Celestials under the deal that after many thousands of years they would come back to take him. Probably to experiment on him. He tried killing himself, but it’s instantly resurrected. Then Celestials take him away, unable to escape his fate. The X-men rid of their biggest enemy.
That’s just collateral damage, man, Young Justice was aimed to an all-age all-gender audience, IMO, and you can’t say it’s a bad show.
Yeah, but I think I read the Celestials IP is at Marvel Studios’s hands only. We’ll be fortunate if Fox can still tease some alien origin of Apocalypse’s technology and powers, I think we need to raise the stakes up and start going cosmic - Shi’ar and Phoenix sagas FTW.
For the sake of lesser known characters we gotta put up with Bryan “I change shit in the films just for the sake of changing shit” SInger’s X-Men movies?
Deadpool is looking like the only non-Marvel Marvel movie that has most fans completely on board, and that’s all because of Ryan Reynolds and not Fox’s terrible ass mitts.
As long as the movie is good and works, I’m ok with that. Singer started in an age where doing the things just like in the comic books wasn’t considered safe (thanks for that, Batman and Robin), so the adaptations were acceptable and sometimes necessary.
But also, it’s not like Marvel hasn’t done the same things.
Thor is almost nothing like the comic book version, neither in tone or characters, and it’s also their less critically acclaimed standalone series. Characters from Guardians of the Galaxy are barely a rough sketch of what they were in the comics… but at least it worked for the critics and audience.
How the fuck are people complaining already about a movie that hasn’t even been released yet?
Also some of you fucks act as if a fucking X-Men (or any Marvel movie for that matter) has to feature a story and acting that lets One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest pale in comparison and has to be as accurate towards the source material as Watchmen or some shit.
Let’s be fucking real here:
X-Men is not Watchmen and 90% of the X-Men comic books past and present are complete garbage.
You read garbage, you watch garbage.
Be real to yourself and enjoy that shit.
I fucking liked the first X-Men flick, First Class and Days of Future Past and I don’t see a reason why I wouldn’t enjoy this movie, yet.
When I talk about “change for the sake of change” is him using Havok in First Class instead of Cyclops; He wasn’t even gonna have them be brothers. Now that they are, Havok is now the older brother and if the timeline of the movies is to be believed he’s like 24 years older than that nigga.
All this for what reason? Marvel movies may not follow the comics to the T but Marvel has a very specific plan for characters and arcs as they play in future movies. While Singer may have known First Class would eventually lead to Apocalypse (though I still think he got to this point way too fucking fast), when it comes to choosing characters (besides the ones that are practically required to move forward in the X-men universe) he seems to just pick them just because he wants to. No thoughtful plan as it pertains to the movie.
He brings Darwin in First Class and its like “Ok he’s obscure but maybe they can do something nice with him in the cinematic universe.” Nope. Brought that nigga in just to die, and it was even a Coulson “death” where its used in the plot line. He just died for the sake of Singer having an X-men die.
He even admits that Jubilee practically plays no role in Apocalypse at all. She’s pretty much in only so he can say “Guys, I know you like Jubilee from the 90s X-men cartoon. Guess what? She’s in the movie!!”
I’ve yet to see an X-men movie and say “THIS is what I was waiting for.” They’ve all just been “good”.
Well, in retrospective that’s definitely an error.
They wanted to bring some Summers flavor to the prequel and bring a connection with a previous character, and AFAIK they didn’t plan to follow up on the prequels and they thought FC was going to be a standalone movie.
Well, I can definitely agree on that, the main problem of the X-Men movie series is the lack of planning. That makes the overall series to be inconsistent in quality, continuity and global storytelling.
Singer didn’t write First Class all by himself, he only created the basic treatment of the conflict between Xavier and Magneto, other writers came after him to complete the script. No one was aware that FC would become a trilogy. But Days of Future Past and X-Men: Apocalypse were indeed planned in beforehand as a one-two punch.
1.- Singer didn’t write First Class.
2.- X-Men comics have used that as a classic plot device, an X-Men character that’s there only to die in the beginning. They did that with Thunderbird or whatever was called in the comics, and Morph in the animated series. That’s a conscious decision created by John Byrne.
I agree on that too, especially since Singer said Iceman wouldn’t be in the movie “because he wasn’t even born in that point of time”, so, he respects the old continuity? Yeah, sure, because Jubilee was way younger than Bobby in the previous movies…
Whatever, I can see a simple reason behind Jubilee’s appearance: She fits with the fashion of that time period.
Everyone has a different taste. As for myself, I loved X-Men 2, First Class and Days of Future Past. If they’re just not your flavour then sorry but deal with it; there are lots of people that love those movies…
That Jubilee explanation is terrible reasoning lol.
Also I find it hard to believe that Fox, of ALL studios, rebooted X-men with First Class for it to have only been a one off. I don’t believe that one bit. Ok, I’ll let Singer off the hook for everything in First Class since it was technically Matthew Vaughn.
I guess my frustration stems from the fact that it has been over a decade and we have yet to see X-Men on screen the way we’ve all been waiting for. So many things haven’t happened yet and they’re already about to fight Apocalypse. How in the FUCK have we not seen Mister Sinister yet?? No Morlocks, No Gambit, No “Rogue”. Cyclops and Wolverine’s iconic tumultuous relationship. The most we’ve seen from them is their bickering in the original trilogy. I’m waiting to see Scott, knowing it takes a lot to kill Logan, just blast the shit out of him in anger while they’re arguing. A good adaptation of the Dark Phoenix story, that i think should include the Hellfire Club (while I thought First Class was pretty good movie, I thought the representation of the Hellfire Club was rather weak).
Hell, they could have used Age of Apocalypse and Cable as a lead-in to a movie of their first modern day fight with Apocalypse, kind of like Trunks in DBZ. Cable goes back in time to inform them of some impending mutant who rules his future; things could be happening that’s leading directly to their first confrontation with Apocalypse and not even know it. It could be like DofP but with more meaningful scenes in the future and not being used to retcon a stupidly convoluted continuity because its being rebooted.
What we have now is another studio trying to play catch up to Marvel’s long planned MCU. Instead of having a thought out plan of the way their arcs transpire, they’re trying to ride Marvel’s comic book movie wave in the moment and things are happening way to fast without any sense of buildup. More than half of the main Avenger’s cast had been introduced to us before the movie so we had more of a connection to most of the characters already. We have 2 MAJOR JL characters in Flash and Aquaman who aren’t getting solo films till after with JL coming out only 2 years after BvS. They JL and Shazam dates should be switched but DC are in too much of a rush to get their first big team-up movie out of the gate.
I don’t even think JL’s eventual fight with Darkseid on the big screen is gonna have the impact of the Avenger’s v. Thanos simply because Thanos has been stewing for so long. With every Marvel movie people watch they get reminded Thanos is on the way, and that time builds hype. DC isn’t really going to be in its stride till JL 2, and well X-Men pretty much jumped into the deep end the same day they learned what water was.
Sorry for the all the ranting it just sucks that we have these great comic movie franchise continuities and only one of them bothered to plan out anything with any kind of thought.
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@MOB172
Good points.
I think way back in 2000 the Fox execs just saw it as risky and with Tom Rothman (Who thought Sentinels were dumb, and movies should be 90 min to make more profit)
A lot of the shortsighted nature of them led to questionable decisions and harmed the whole franchise not just by putting out 2 horrible movies, but hampering the development of key characters like Cyclops,Storm etc.
IMO Fox never realized what most of us as comic fans knew is that X-men universe by itself is as rich and detailed as other Marvel Franchises.
they made some baby steps with FC and DOFP but a lot of “core” problems still remain:
-Focus on a handful of characters at the expense of others (Wolverine, Magnus,Xavier,and Mystique)
-Black costumes repeatedly (except for FC)
-Many relationships are non existent. MYstique and Rogue/NC , Xavier and Juggernaut, Scott and Alex… etc.
I think with the destruction of the recent FF film, they figure keeping “the status quo” is the best solution b/c
In an ideal world, someone like James Cameron would have been my ideal director.
You need someone who can do sci fi action and drama with solid characterization.
I am glad at the very least they arent "Michael Bay"ing the franchise.
As a fan of Transformers, Turtles, I m more hopeful for the Xmen franchise.
@MOB712 I can relate to what you’re saying, the movie series is probably not good enough for fans. But that doesn’t mean they’re not good movies, many of them are great.
DoFP had just been released so it was too damn soon for another time-travel movie, so, I’m sorry. Anyway Cyclops hasn’t been depicted as a strong and important character (and it looks like he won’t be, like ever) so we’re probably still far away from that, but yeah, I want to see Cable.
Completely agree with this, what the X-Men film series has always lacked has been a plan and a direction, that’s why their movies are inconsistent and the franchise is not better than the sum of its parts, which is exactly the opposite Marvel does.
But I still like most of the X-Men movies.
To be fair the superhero genre was in serious risk after Batman and Robin and no one thought the wide audience was going to accept more “comic book-ish” comic book movies so they created something they could sell to a casual, not well-informed in comic book, non geeky audience.
And yeah, they didn’t even know the movie was going to be a hit so it’s not “short-sighted”, it’s that no one could have had predicted that. The audience didn’t even know they wanted a interwined universe like the MCU until they got it… it was seriously risky chance, but X-Men did many things right to make the comic book genre viable again. As critics said “without X-Men (2000) there wouldn’t be an MCU”.
they made some baby steps with FC and DOFP but a lot of “core” problems still remain:
Well, to be fair some of them are too “coincidental”, some of them too “soap opera-like” and some other aren’t too worth of mentioning. There’s just not too much time to explain that all.
Can I remind you many characters from Marvel’s series like Iron Man, Thor and Captain America are basically non existant or limited to “landscape roles”… like Happy Hogan, the rest of Asgard’s gods including Thor’s brother, agent Sharon Carter and many many others…?
X-Men has a larger-than-life cast with extremely complicated relationships, if not even the “Trinity” series from Marvel can give their place to the fewer character, asking for X-Men movies focusing on all that is basically impossible.
I think the fact Fox is opening to spinoffs and TV projects is a good sign, but we can still be sure every director/writer will just do whatever they want and there won’t be such a thing as consistency. So, yeah, I would be open to a complete overhaul of the X-Men series into a more consistent saga, but for now, let’s just wait and see.