But it is a start, you say Jean isn’t interesting but you haven’t said why.
And the Films isn’t a good place to start as the only mutants that were interesting were all dark and brooding, and that just lazy writing.
I’m not saying she’s not. I say I don’t see the audience interested in her, for whatever reasons.
In the comics I always felt she benefited the stories being dead than alive. The characters and the direction of books always go through a massive shift when she’s six feet under.
He was the lead character but those films were still ensemble movies. After X-Men Origins you can argue Wolverine didn’t have what it takes to carry a movie on his own. It didn’t stop him from getting more movies.
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Well, Jackman was the standout and he was well liked in those movies. That’s how he got its spinoff.
Jean was… like, filler character #5 (with a bit of romantic interest). And her spinoff was more because of the producer’s stubbornness than anything else.
Except that the audience only knows from what the films told them.
Most movie goers are not avid comic readers.
Jean is the one out of everyone who cares about people the most, she fills in as Lab assistant to the Professor or Hank when needed, she’s a better pilot than Scot, she fills in as cook when the X-men’s never seen chef has a day off. She has deep flaws and trama, the first time she used her telepathy is when a classmate of hers is dying and she felt everything that girl did, and thats prior to meeting charlies for the first time.
So was all the other X-men. You are saying shes not interesting as the film series that failed to represent the X-men for who they really are. That isn’t a bad character, just bad writing. Everyone was filler other than Wolverine.
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[quote=“Darksakul, post:2245, topic:165979”]Except that the audience only knows from what the films told them.
Most movie goers are not avid comic readers.[/quote]
Yeah. And Jean sucks in the movies. That’s why people’s not interested on her, I guess.
But: most of the other X-men didn’t get spinoff movies led by them, that bombed hard.
Only guy who got an actual spin off is Wolverine.
Calling Dark Phoenix a Jean Spin off is a joke. The Whole team was involved, Scot, Storm, Wolverine, Professor, were all major players. And if you following the Comic Colossus and Night crawler, Beast and Rouge for the 90s Cartoon.
Yea Dark Pheonix isnt, has never been, and probably never will be spin off material.
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[quote=“Darksakul, post:2247, topic:165979, full:true”]Calling Dark Phoenix a Jean Spin off is a joke. The Whole team was involved, Scot, Storm, Wolverine, Professor, were all major players. And if you following the Comic Colossus and Night crawler, Beats and Rouge for the 90s Cartoon.
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It wasn’t a solo movie but she was the central character anyway. That’s why the title.
You cannot call it a Spin off movie when the entire cast is still there.
So shes the main focus, of course she is. Jean gets a cosmic entity to inhabit her body and what follows is Space Opera levels of cosmic Shenanigans that most Sci Fi series would kill for.
A Spin off is if there was a solo adventure.
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Anyway. I guess they’ll take the M’Kraan Crystal and the Shi’Ar empire and give that storyline away to Captain Marvel and Alpha Flight for Carol Danvers’s third movie.
No they would not.
The M’Kraan Crystal and the Shi’Ar empire have nothing in the world to do with Carol Danvers.
It would be like doing Thor Dark World with Luke Cage instead of Thor.
Carol Danvers is nothing like Jean Grey, and they two are about as different as possible.
Carol has her own stories, they don’t need to borrow from the X-men.
And the Dark Phoenix is not the only time the X-men gone to Space,
The Brood, the Phalanx, Mojo’s World, That thing with S.W.O.R.D. where there a ancient prophesy that Colossus was to destroy an Alien planet by walking into and wreaking their biggest Reactor as he weirdly immune to the reactor’s energy.
And Ego the Living Planet and Ghost had nothing to do with Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man.
Such as…? Uh? Huh?
[quote=“Darksakul, post:2252, topic:165979”]And the Dark Phoenix is not the only time the X-men gone to Space,
The Brood, the Phalanx, Mojo’s World, That thing with S.W.O.R.D. where there a ancient prophesy that Colossus was to destroy an Alien planet by walking into and wreaking their biggest Reactor as he weirdly immune to the reactor’s energy.[/quote]
I don’t see Marvel going cosmic with the X-Men rebooted franchise anytime soon.
Also, I’ve read a few of the Captain Marvel runs and she’s had at least two Shi’Ar warrior women as some of her main villains, by the way.
Deathbird was originally a Ms. Marvel villain. Personally, I think the Shi’ar would fit better being Carol’s villains then the X-Men. I never been a fan of the X-Men being cosmic heroes.
Carol is a former X-Man. She should borrow away.
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So sit in the corner and stop thinking so hard, before you hurt your self in the confusion.
Someone who only knows the X-men from the Films trying to explain to me the X-men.
Please.
Incorrect, Carol Danvers lost here powers and became an associate of the School and the X-men team rather than actually joining the team. The one X-men Story Carol is actually apart of is the Brood story.
That’s the thing with Marvel. Unlike DC, Marvel is a completely integrated and synergetic universe.
In the TV side, we had Daredevil villains (Nuke and Typhoid Mary) being incorporated to the Jessica Jones and Iron Fist TV series, too.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wolverine fights Kraven the Hunter in the next movie.
She’s been connected to the mutants all the way around anyway. Starting with the attack from Rogue. I don’t think we’ll see her losing her powers in the movies, but in the comics she spent several storylines with the X-Men, and even she and her lover were part of some very important stories about the mutant law and such.
She had plenty of adventures with the X-Men and their spin-off teams when she became Binary. I think she can safely borrow from the cosmic side of X-Men. Shi’ar, the brood, Starjammers. They’ll fit with what Marvel is building with the character.
Not to mention in their last Captain Marvel runs she’s been involved a lot with Alpha Flight and S.W.O.R.D., who spun off from the X-Men comics and have everything to do with mutants.
So, technically you can have the “mutants vs Shi’Ar Imperial Guard” thing if she’s the lead along them. Maybe they want her Tesseract powers to do something with the M’Kraan Crystal or something.
I don’t know, I simply think the Shi’Ar will be a good fit for her movie series because of the huge amount of warrior women from that species in the comics. And I’ve seen that happen in the comics.
Carol still has
In Pursuit of Flight
Higher, Further, Faster, More
Ms. Marvel: Last Days
The Enemy Within
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Captain Marvel books Alpha Flight went from being a team to a space program. It got re-conceptualized to fit her character.
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