For Fumma’s A2G throw, maybe it works like Akuma’s Demon Flip punch throw, where you need to be above their head…just from the way the throw looked from the vid that’s my guess / suggestion to try out.
why is J.Carn so beefy
This is a good point, Max was doing a far HP when it happened, which puts the head all the ways out there.
Power edit: I can’t get the damn thing to work.
I wonder if there is a motion involved with his A2G throw… I wonder also if Hanzo can do it…
Goukisan - My name on AIM is Rockeits, and Josh’s is BigJoshWCW . Thats where we arrange our P2P matches, and we’d like to get to play some with you.
Josh showed me his brocken tonight:
1.) his limbs extend his hitbox so he trades or gets beat often
2.) he is very weak, so trading is not an option for him.
3.) his slow slow jump (think dhalsim) makes him easy to predict in the air. he also has to jump things early due to leaving the ground slow. his only option in the air is abc, which is good… but…
4.) abc gets you a knockdown but does crap for damage. his missile crossup trick isnt a crossup. just block normally, and the change direction when he tries to combo on landing. visually it takes some getting used to but its not that hard to deal with.
5.) his only solid antiair is his taunt, which also does crap for damage.
6’) getting his super out is inconsistant, bu the hero version up close is unblockable with invicible startup. josh pulled it off n wakeup once somehow…
it seems like brocken is weaker than we though. his damage output and notorious trading/losing to other pokes is a big problem. in the end he will still have some very favorable matchups, but im guessing him in the B tier at this point.
josh will post his thoughts later. btw, jack may be stronger than i though. he may be a tier and not b.
Brocken is one of the more difficult characters to use well. I still wonder if there’s a way to make the missile hit in front…
It’s not his taunt that anti-airs, actually - that’s his ground ABC. Autoguards air moves, but only hits right above him and does no damage.
And yes, his normal super is worthless but the hero version is AMAZING. Unblockable up close, and COMPLETELY INVINCIBLE until it hits! Although you wouldn’t think it from the motion, it can be used as a reversal - you just have to press ABC immediately after BC, kinda like a Tekken string. And it’s a perfect meaty attack since you can’t even reversal - it can be set up even at midscreen from throws, ground ABC, and possibly air ABC if you cancel it quickly.
Jack is still a very basic character, but he has a few useful things that aren’t obvious.
-Josh
I tried for almost an hour to get Fummas air to ground throw. I tried it at almost every possible angle from a normal jump, double jump, wall jump, etc. Then I tried it with the AI attacking, I tried motions, negative edge, etc. No fucking luck. Was using the PS2 version btw…gotta be a secret to it. Even in all the existing move lists I tracked down, they all have the same command for it, but with “???” near it. This has really got my attention since nobody after all these years has been able to find a definate method, would be nice to be the one who cracks it.
Wow, I can’t believe that after years of people writing movelists for this game, that no one knows how to make the A2G throw come out on command. That just insane. Is there a way, using your recording, to see what inputs I entered when I performed it, Josh? I know that…
A.) I wall jumped
B.) I used lp+mp (hp)
Anyone around and want to P2P with me to get some more matchups tested?
What mame do you have, I can try.
mame plus plus .117 and .119
get me on AIM dude.
K, gotta re-dl aim:sweat:
It can’t be done.:sad: Sorry. I gotta find a way to get my firewall password.
GREAT games Goukisan. Your j.max is beastly.
Sorry about my Mudman being weak, and my Erick being too strong. When you play josh, he will show you a better Kidd, and show you Shura and Brocken and Ryofu.
I recorded our session, and I’ll send it to josh to see if he wants to encode. Hopefully he can edit out the matches where we were screwing around with things we found or trying to remember super motions.
Kidd has a DIVEKICK!? Wowzers.
I knew about Kidd’s divekick, but honestly don’t see how it would be of much use. Not even an overhead, can sometimes be punished etc.
And I’ll take a look at the matches now!
-Josh
Fun stuff last night, alot of first time matchups for me. Erick reflecting wave catches is bad for business. Alot of dropped shit on my behalf, but Max’s damage covers that gap.
Wakeup dps are pretty damn good so far. J.Max’s big trick is 50/50 on oki, and if every dp is trading or beating? Ugh, baiting it is laffo. Most dps hit clean behind as well, which caught me off guard. This either means I need a deeper HK crossup or just not at all. I still have alot to learn though.
I take it back Josh, Max is just fine against Brocken, played against the “MYSTERIOUS CHALLENGER” that plays against me with Brocken. I still am either afraid of, or do not know how to limb trade, but I am inching in behind good catches and blocking. I also could have never goddamn thought of that simple a solution to missle crossup, I am ashamed. I still think top of the head missle is unblockable, so there.
I am a shillouette with a question mark over his face.
I’m down for some WHP, though my P2P connection doesnt seem to work properly despite opening ports. X1ggurat is the AIM.
Hey, new faces, excellent!
And MORE MATCH VIDS UP. Lots of Keits vs. Goukisan this time, check the link in my sig!
NOTE: I left on the wrong settings in the Control Panel, so there’s no sound in this batch. Next time, though, we’ll have the sound with almost no lag!
I’ve got a secret weapon for whoever plays me next…
-Josh
u guys got an irc channel or anything
i need to get in some games and actually learn this before nec
i have only played it like 3 times now
No irc channel, we just talk on AIM and in here.