Wii classic for padhacking: generic or official pro

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I know to save labor costs and not pay fot Stan’s schooling for “digital input for gamecube-style trigger” training, avoid the official Nintendo brand non-pro Wii Classic Controller (for Wii nunchuk port and NES mini and SNES mini) at all costs.

In terms of ease of hacking, are official pros and generic pros equally easy to hack?

Also are there generics to look out for to avoid, that are model 1 style copy? Is there an easy way to tell a third party model 1 from a third party pro model?

I understand the Cthulhu and Aki Shop 360+ are considered dead and fixed, but Brook makes new things. If there’s 8 pins or less in a Wii nunchuk/ classic mini port, maybe that protocol and physical RJ45 adapter can be added.

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Nether supports the Wii, Game Cube yes but not the Wii connector.

The Brooks Universal PCB supports Wii U via USB but not the Wii connector on the Nunchuck.

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That’s exactly what I was saying. I know the Cthulhu and the 360+ cannot be improved. I know they won’t work and the temperature would read 0 Celsius in the Earth’s core by the time someone does make it work.

I was only talking to the Brook people (kind of in a generic and universal way. I know I’m probably not talking to Brook people now, but the record of this conversation is still here, and still, enough Brooke people read SRK to get ahold of this. Us fighters got to stick together) since they’re actively making new adapters, why not improve the Brook Retro.

Also since Brooke can improve the Retro with firmware and other updates why not try to improve it in other ways? I understand the Cthulhu and the 360 plus cannot be updated because they’re considered dead and frozen in time.

But that’s a different topic in possibly different category.

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You are better off pad hacking a cheap 3rd party Wii Pro pad.

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Pro models (and knock-off replicas) all have the grips.
OG models (and knock-off replicas) don’t have any grips.
Just buy one with the grips and you should be good to go. I got a KO Wii Pro Controller off of eBay several years ago and it works fine. I didn’t padhack it or anything because I wanted to use it for a project that didn’t actually come to fruition (yet).

I do feel your pain, though. I have a Sega-panel dual arcade stick set (normally with MC Cthulhus inside) that I wanted to use with an SNES Classic, but the only way I could get that working is to swap the PCBs inside with padhacked 3rd-party controller PCBs. So that’s what I ended up doing.

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Thank you freedom. All the third parties seem to just copy the design and scrub the Nintendo logo off there. It’s cheap and easy and requires no creativity.

At least that makes it easy to spot on eBay. I can get two for under 15 from a US seller.

And Nintendo says the warranty is just as canceled whether or not you disassemble a genuine Wii PCB or a generic Wii PCB.

At least Sony and Microsoft say if you use authorized PCBs to hack, you get certain protections, assuming you have competent work done on it. So if you have a faulty authorized third party circuit, the warranty will cover it. Plus I heard USB has its own warranty standards dead are more lenient than consoles specific standards.

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I would not count on any warranty/protection to be applying if you’re hacking a PCB out of a controller. I would 100% bet on them using the “you’re not using the product as their intended design” argument.

I don’t even know why anyone would care about any sort of warranty. You’re buying a product (and most likely a knock-off/unlicensed one at that too) and gutting it for parts essentially.

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Only reason why I bring it up is because Xbox seems a little more conscientious of knowing that certain things won’t work right. Any generally, if you promise something, you’re confident that mathematically you’ll come out ahead if you guarantee the promise and increase your sales and pay for the few times you’re wrong.

And yes I know my Wii warranty is a corpse with lots of flowers on the grave. My point was that even if the Wii warrantee did have its 90-day or year-long warranty, the warranty would be just as dead regardless of whether I altered a genuine Wii PCB or generic Wii PCB.

I bet you if these Fight PCB companies can guarantee their labor by having you send it in, they would. The only reason they can’t is they can’t control who works on their products.

I think a couple of companies like Mad Catz and Pelican had their own guarantee against frying the system. They said if any problems happen with the joystick, port or the machine due to that product will replace both their product and the machine you’re using it with. So you don’t necessarily have to have a license in order to make a good product.

And a warranty is a general statement of their quality. Like for example I know a close Goodwill jurisdiction with this policy on their electronics, saying 7 days guaranteed to work or bring it back and get either cash on obvious cases, or unexpring shopping credits on more borderline cases.

How Beeshu's score improving guarantee succeeded

Likewise, the joystick company only I mention, Beeshu, is so confident that many people would be held by the right-handed grip, and quite a percentage upheaval would improve with a left-handed joystick versus left-handed pad, that they made that game play guarantee. As far as I could tell there has not been a lawsuit against Beeshu for using cheap parts that ruin the game. They delivered what they said they promised.

By the way anyone have the stats of what percentage of Beeshu buyers took back their joystick? but then again, as I have attested to before, if you’re used to a right-handed stick then a (relatively) poorly contoured or constructed right-handed stick would be better than a well-constructed and designed left-handed stick. Most of the people knew what they were buying when they bought a Beeshu, whatever joystick they put on the picture of the box matched what was inside.

They did not necessarily say it was going to last. They just said it will improve your score. a correcting that backwards feeling that people like me feel goes a long way in improving the score.

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You totally lost me there.
What warranty are you talking about? The console’s or the controller’s?
Why is this even under anyone’s consideration in this case? Completely irrelevant if you ask me.

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My point was that even if it were a new Switch, fresh off the shelf, the warrantee would be just as violated whether one takes apart a genuine part of a generic part. I don’t think there are “degrees of violations”

I said most people here don’t care about warrantees.

I just had a bad experience with a generic multi memory card for the N64 and a generic multi memory card for the PS1.

But I never had a bad experience with soldered PCBs except in the 90s when I was less informed.

Thank you internet.

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Correct. Once you take apart something to use in “not the intended way”, your warranty would’ve been voided already.

Essentially, any thoughts about warranties on this modding-oriented sub-forum is moot at best.

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I just remember the days of the new NES when they put in a circuit that would cause a fire if you use an unauthorized cartridge, like a Tengen or Codemasters, etc.

I don’t know if the federal and/or a US Statevgovernment actually made a law against pro-active booby trapping by vandalism/arson.

That was kind of the mentality was behind worrying about having authorized parts hacked versus having generic parts hacked.

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Please find me a source for this. I call 100% BS on this.

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As someone who modded many NES and Famicom consoles I call BS on this.
I also used to make my own NES Carts.

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Remember my perspective: not being much of a modded except for installing a Blinking Light Win, a pair of Intellivision 1 to FB controller cords, and cleaning 2600 and Astrocade paddles.

I know there are ways around it. I know that was only a couple extreme cases where the 10NES chips caused fires. I just mentioned it as a way of Nintendo discouraging unlicensed carts.

I’ve also had problems with an N64 Mega memory on a joystick, and a PS1 mega memory in slot 1. The first damaged my stick and the second damaged my PS1.

I was lucky the Funcoland employee didn’t test the memory slot. I got decent money towards a new PS1.

I’m mainly talking about the difference between genuine Nintendo PCBs and generic PCBs. Not about modding.

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Find me a reputable source that says this; otherwise you’re again just making up causality again.

I’m not saying that using bad, broken, or even poorly-modded accessories can’t damage your system; they definitely can.
But implying that a video game company would purposefully put in a circuit that would cause a fire if you used an unlicensed accessory? I still call 100% BS on that.

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Well, I didn’t make it up. AVGN had said it.

I also read about fire warnings about a Game Genie and using it with a top loader.

Galoob sent people an EXTRA adapter to play Gam Genie on a top loader.

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Also I’m not saying Nintendo pack the chip with butane.

I’m saying there’s a reason why this exists:

(Search "game genie top loader adapter on eBay) $300+ loose $500 CIB

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You know the Game Genie Top Loader adapter was only released because it didn’t physically fit into the cartridge slot’s pins of the NES Top Loader, right?

The original front-loader NES had more spaced out pin connectors that would squeeze/sandwich the cart pins when pushed down. The Game Genie had a thicker PCB so that the connectors would reach since you didn’t push the cart down. The NES top-loader has “standard” PCB thickness because you don’t need to squeeze/sandwich the pins. Hence the Game Genie’s PCB is too thick for that slot.

This is a mail-order only add-on for a 3rd party accessory for a console that was released in the life cycle of its successor. The adapter is expensive now because it’s rare. Not because it “saves” your console from being fried.

All this info can be found within 30 seconds of Google searches.
You’re not doing your research and you’re making HUGE assumptions based on very small bits of info you’re pulling from places.

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Can you provide a source?

That was because the Game Genie didn’t fit correctly with the Toploader NES.

Stop spreading falsehoods.