You’d think every Makoto would learn the 100%.
Odds are they know how it’s done, but they don’t really bother trying to do it all the time because of how hard it is. Not to mention Makoto is scary enough already.
Yeah, the kara karakusa is more than enough.
This should have been the first reply…
… So you guys honestly think that that Makoto won not because of the TOD with SA2, but for other reasons? It’s precisely the guessing game behind SA2 that makes her so dangerous. If she picks SA1 I breathe a sigh of relief because I know they can get in and cannot do at least 75% damage on me if I make one mistake.
Also I find it odd that everyone thinks it’s peaches and cream that one character can instantly kill you with one thing, and yet most of you will bitch about Ultras in SF4. It’s the same thing; except Ultras don’t typically lead to Stun and don’t do more than 50% damage plus are easy to do.
Also to that dude who feels that this combo is almost impossible to do, go on GGPO and fight a few random Makoto players and I can guarantee you that about half of them roughly can pull it off, even in lag. BTW I main Dudley.
Tominaga is KNOWN for always getting 100%, he never messes it up so taking a video from him is like taking a tutorial vid and saying here this guy can do it so everyone can, which is not the case…you find 5 other vids of regular makoto matches whether it be tournament or casual (not including Tominaga) and you tell us if “TOD” or whatever is the reason they won…btw saying “roughly” pull it off is like saying they can do the 1st fukiage but not the 2nd -___- they either CAN or can NOT do it and thats why everyone is saying “no”
EDIT: here’s some vids FYI
Hey Louis.
Stop whining.
You can find plenty of videos of Makoto TOD people, numerous Shend videos have this and other tournament vids. Sorry, not only do I not agree with this philosophy but I’m pointing out the flaws in that. And all I’m hearing in response (aside from trolling) is “deal with it” and “it’s hard to do” and I’m not disagreeing that it’s hard to do, but inconsistent? That I disagree with. It’s not this incredibly difficult thing that a handful of men in the world can pull off, it’s fairly common.
And what I mean by ‘roughly’ is that lets say Makoto hits you a few times, and now you’re at 25% stun. Now she really doesn’t need to do the full juggle after SA2 to get that 100% stun. See what I mean? She can just do SA2, then Axe Kick/Tsurgi, and one Fukiage and that’s it. GG. You lost.
Here’s my philosophy on it: You don’t allow a gun in a knife fight, not even if the gun is a musket or a .22.
SMH…
3SO should have an age requirement to play…
The combo needs meter and you need to do something dumb to get hit by the grab… You also need to corner her to do it.
Don’t go by the Shend’s videos… When you have really top players doing shit, of course you’ll see it a lot. 99% of matches out there with Mak aren’t going to have the ToD combo… Perhaps CLOSE to it… but not the full combo itself.
But riddle me this - why are you the first one to really want to advocate this, when a plethora of vets don’t give a fuck about it? It’s because you’re the type that will cry for balance patches.
On the topic of “punishing” - what about when I miss-call my assist against Sentinel in MvC2 and Sentinel assrapes the assist free of charge? Or when I don’t do a Headbutt in ST at the right time and I get the Afrolegends / Daigo comeback? Ban that shit too? Why not just say, whoever gets the first hit, wins the match?
I’m actually 20 and have been playing for 6 months. So thanks for playing the elitist card on me. God forbid I should ask a question bro.
I wasn’t. I was going by general gameplay having cited other videos and people on GGPO able to pull it off. And hey dude it’s no longer 1999, games get patched for having broken shit and bugs in them. Welcome to 2011. It happens. Sorry. I don’t think I’m the only one either, a lot of people want to see the game rebalanced. It’s not like a handful of people either.
That’s MVC2, even Iron Man can touch of death. This is 3rd Strike. Not ST. Not MVC2. They’re entirely different games in every conceivable way. No other character can touch of death you in 3rd Strke. No other. Yeah Chun li and Yun can do massive damage but they can’t instantly kill you with one combo.
Yea so why dont you show a couple if there’s “plenty” of vids of makoto doing that, cuz its either you’re talking about the 100% or the actual ender in which case is a natural part of the game just like any other super that does a lot of damage/stun
you really dont understand that it requires GOOD execution to do it at least once especially in a match like a tournament, not only would you have to practice it, you’ll need to be put into the situation itself which means half the screen (a situation that you can avoid) as well as the fact that the player would need at least both meters to do some heavy damage (you main Dudley anyways, a makoto would NEED 2 meters to kill you) and if the player doesnt then theyll wind up using meter anyways in which case they lose the chance to get a super off and not to mention they need the corner situation yet AGAIN
just looking at what you described by “roughly” that just means that you just dont like her super and you’re not really talking about her 100% then, obviously if a makoto is decent they can complete an ender for the super but even then thats the same as a chun li player getting SA2 into a corner ender and you have to worry about a UOH or something into another super which will kill you…the point is its been 10+ years and it hasnt been banned for a reason and ppl havent complained about it for a reason, especially since there are a lot of things in 3s that do a lot of damage that can kill a player EX: Urien has aegis, Yun has GJ, Chun has SA2, Oro has unblockables, etc etc, you see where im going?? its the same as Sagat doing soo much damage just from an anti air SRK, or even Ryu with ultra…you obviously cant jump at him cuz you know everyone and their mother will ALWAYS anti air SRK you into Ultra, wrong, there are things that require execution and not everyone has that
You’re so old and wise. And I’m not your bro.
GGPO? That’s some serious shit right there. :lol:
The majority of people that want the game rebalanced are not the core fans of the game. They’re the people that are going to play the game for a week, get overwhelmed by the vets, and go back to 4.
Actually, IM can knock about 80% of your life out… but ToD? No, not really by himself. He needs to DHC to do that.
Mak’s ToD combo is too difficult for people to really care. You don’t see even 3 Maks in the top 8 at tournaments, so nobody cares.
You ask WHY it wasn’t banned, as in the past… Straight answer for you: Vets don’t give a fuck, and we learn our way around it. Not cry for a balance patch just because we’re too incompetent to figure something out on our own. We don’t care for spoon feeding.
Dude, you can find them in almost any high level Makoto video. I’ll try to find some I guess. It’s her juggle after the SA2 that does the insane amount of stun. No other character can do that kind of stun after a super. And for other characters to get full stun with super and any followups they’d have to be over 50%, except maybe Necro’s SA3 which does quite a bit of stun. But I don’t main Necro so I’m not going to say for sure.
I never said it doesn’t require good execution. I’m saying a LOT of people can pull it off. Do you still deny that? And let’s say I have 75% health after she hits me a few times and now I’m at 25% stun, she gets a random grab, SA2 time, now i’m fully stunned she has enough for EX, does additional damage, I’m dead at that point.
Don’t bring up those other unblockables and Chun’s SA2. The things that you’re bringing up give the other dude a chance to get out, it’s hard, but control is not taken away from them. If Makoto gets SA2 on you, there’s nothing at all you can do. It’s up to them.
yo im 21 and have been playing for 4-5 yrs, believe me that “TOD” from makoto was the least of my worries when i started playing, i didnt even know about it until i saw a video and even then i never complained cuz its just simple logic, if not everyone is doing it or if its not something thats WIDELY discussed then obviously its not a problem, we still had to deal with it regardless just like anything else
#1: I’m not your bro, guy.
#2: Keep playing that elitist card. I’m sure it’s impossible for anyone else to appreciate this game, right? Only you can see the light, you must be blessed.
#3: The whole point of the thread, sir, is ***why ***don’t they give a fuck? Why is this considered okay? I’ve yet to read a good reason why other than the execution is difficult and situational which doesn’t quite apply considering how effective it is. Don’t Makoto players have a saying, something like “Guess right two times and you win.”?
You called ME “bro”…
Are you fucking kidding me?
We’ve all answered you. Why don’t we care? Because we man up and learn ways around things. Not bitch about it like a 12-year old girl who can’t find a date because all the boys her age still think girls have cooties.
So short answer is: Deal with it.
That say’s a lot. That’s a well thought out response by the ‘It’s mahvel baby!’ generation.
ok so lets say you are in that situation with 75% health and 25% stun, you should NOT even be thinking what if she gets a random grab, at that point you should be thinking OK just stay full screen and make sure she doesnt get into the corner until my stun meter goes down, its just a simple thought, thats just the way you go about things when you play a good player (cuz most good players will know how to end a match like that) just think logically, dont ASK for things to get banned and stuff, we ALLLL went through that but we just found the best way to deal with it which is STAY away or make sure you knock her down first till your stun gets lowered
everyone was under the assumption that you were talking about the 100% so thats why we were saying it’s hard to do, but even without the 100% she still has to have specific situations in order to get a super off and yea every decent makoto player can EXECUTE it, but not every makoto player can put themselves into that situation unless the opponent doesnt have the knowledge of the game…thats why we say “deal with it” because if its not a 100% then you can most definitely avoid, escape, or punish it until your stun goes down in which case you can resume your normal game (while KNOWING what to avoid)
pretty much. stop whining. nobody cares.