Why do people hate the parry so much?

[Possum_Hill_Kid]

Audio, in my opinion Street Fighter Alpha 2 is the best Street Fighter because of the alpha counter.

[DevilJin_01]

Hace, but is she in the same class as say, Ken, Chun or Yun? I’ve always been told that Makoto was lower tier, but I’ve seen that tier lists are just opinion and not fact.

Makoto is pretty stupid at high level play. Mainly for her damage and stun output more than anything else. Her option selects with parry and kara karakusa help set things up but ultimately she just does too much damned damage just for finally getting in.

[Hace]

ala SRK wiki

Top Tier:

Yun
Chun-Li 
**Makoto**

Upper Tier:

Ken
Dudley
Yang 
Akuma
**Urien**

Middle Tier:

Akuma
Urien
Ryu
Oro
Ibuki
Elena 

Low Tier:

Necro
Alex
Remy
Q
Hugo
Twelve 

Bottom Tier:

Sean

[AudioCG]

Audio, in my opinion Street Fighter Alpha 2 is the best Street Fighter because of the alpha counter.

A2 is one of my personal favorites as well (sunk a TON of hours on GGPO when Ponder added THAT one.), ST/HDR, 3S and CVS2 are right up in that grouping also, but I didnt like A3 that much, not to say it was a “bad” game by any means, just not my flavor. My vote is still out on SF4, not sure how I feel about that game yet. (Some days I hate it, some days I dont, whatever, we shall see what SSF4 yields.)

[aku]

Interesting, that you named three characters that many consider lower tier that could turn the tide of a match if they had two full bars and an opening via the parry. The parry seemed to give those characters the ammo to hang with the big guns. Thanks for the info–I’m looking at Oro, Makoto and Urien in a new light.

Makoto can 100% stun half the cast, and 80-90% on the other half. Two good reads or guesses = stunned. On top of that, she’s as strong as Ryu. She’s arguably top-tier. Urien used to be terrible, until people figured out how to use Aegis with the Unblockables and corner mixups. Oro can win the match with SA2 unblockables and get 50+% damage from SA3 juggles OR get a ton of chip damage from regular SA3 corner pressure. If Chun wasn’t in 3S, these characters would be way higher on the tierlist(but you can say that about a lot of characters).

And honestly, “guessing” in 3S is something a lot of players haven’t gotten over, which is why people hate on parrying so much. The game truly does go way more technical than that, it’s just a lot of people get way too impatient and go for 50/50 mixups straight away on wakeup or something. Parries can also get punished. Check out Hayao vs Haitani for the best example of baiting a parry.

And it’s funny, because red parries are almost NEVER brought up, which do away with guessing and reward the reading aspect a lot more…

[ilitirit]

The parry thread to end all parry threads:
http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=99742

Read Viscant’s posts.

That said, I don’t hate parries. Parrying is exciting and can keep you on your toes. I still prefer games that don’t revolve so much around lucky guesses though.

[Hace]

That said, I don’t hate parries. Parrying is exciting and can keep you on your toes. I still prefer games that don’t revolve so much around lucky guesses though.

I’m confused

[ilitirit]

I’m confused

About what?

[System_1]

The reason Chun is so fucking good in 3S has just as much to do with how stupid her offensive capabilities are as the parry. As a matter of fact I would go as far to say that parry does nothing more but accent her stupidness rather than be a key factor. If Chun Li’s c.MK didn’t give you a year to hit confirm into super and didn’t take 35 percent life away on half the cast and 50 percent away on the other cast with the ability to store two of them she wouldn’t be hardly as bad. Chun is free to being pressured when she doesn’t have meter and the only reason she is feared even when she has meter is that her super just knocks off an insane amount of damage for no reason when other supers with longer 1 bar based bars struggle to do the damage hers can. On top of the fact that she can stock two of them. Option selects using parry helped to accent Chun Li’s game but it was more so Chun Li’s footsies that have hit boxes that were basically designed to shut down everything in the game. Only like 25 percent of the reason Chun is good I would say has to do with parries. 3S Chun would be stupid without parries in most any other SF game.

And yet Elena, who is low-mid tier, has pretty much everything that Chun has.

Including a hit confirm for days.

The difference being that said hit confirm can be parried high, whereas Chun’s must be parried low.

I think you give the parry dynamic too little credit in Chun’s gameplan.

[Septimus_Prime]

Chun’s b.hp is also a super-fast wall of damage that links into SAII. Don’t forget about that.

[adobopowered]

Parry is game changing that’s it.

[Kelter_Skelter]

What would a cat do with a phone number?

[Silly_Goose]

Low risk / High reward stuff is usually looked down upon. That’s what it seems like to me.

Pressing forward is low risk? People act like you have as much time to parry as you do a srk in sf4.
And they’re cool as hell. Makes it feel like and action movieand you’re Jet Li

[BrentoBox]

Interesting, that you named three characters that many consider lower tier that could turn the tide of a match if they had two full bars and an opening via the parry. The parry seemed to give those characters the ammo to hang with the big guns. Thanks for the info–I’m looking at Oro, Makoto and Urien in a new light.

Those characters aren’t considered low tier. They are high tier, just below the top three and Dudley. Urien and Makoto are definitely not low tier, and Oro is a strong character.

[J.D]

the parry system isnt newbie friendly, thats why newbies hate it, and since we have more newbies than experienced players, it makes it look like nobody likes it, but its a great system

[HondaUser]

Because they’re idiots. :tup:

[Anotak]

Hace, but is she in the same class as say, Ken, Chun or Yun? I’ve always been told that Makoto was lower tier, but I’ve seen that tier lists are just opinion and not fact.

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[RidianFable]

lol Naw dude, it was in the mall in Aiken SC

Lies there are only two spots that have ppl that are any good at fighting games in SC. One is Anderson the other is Columiba. Camden used to be badass than everyone moved to all parts of the country.

[Songo_KthX]

You shoot yourself in the foot saying it wasn’t balanced. The parry essentially made that game balanced. Footsies and everything are extremely important and people think it’s easy to just parry everything. It’s not. You need to know when to parry when not to. You have more character specific combos, and you HAVE to able to hit confirm. Something 98% of people are too lazy to work on. Chun is indeed powerful and I’ll be honest I have her as my secondary since I can just turtle up because of back fierce and crouching roundhouse. She’s still very beatable.

Parrying isn’t noob friendly but it’s not like it takes tons of practice to learn how to do it efficiently. Red parries are a little more difficult but it’s something I worked on since day one. I’m probably right on saying since you can’t spam fireballs and be a jackass in 3rd Strike people don’t like it because you have to use your brain to actually do something.

[Kelter_Skelter]

I don’t like it because as a Ryu player I don’t like that they can take my fireballs without consequence.