After watching your videos Syxx, it would be awesome to be honest.
I can understand why it would be difficult for many of you to do something like that. Not all players have the same intent when they ask for advicefrom players. They either just want to syphon some “particular” about the player like “How do I chain longer combos” or “What’s unblockable”. While I’m just trying to not jump all the damn time. Things that can’t be taught per say because they are limited by your own technique, but I *had to learn *from people just last night alone. I had to to be told by someone to “get it”.
Nobody likes to be told “Hey, did you know you fuckin run funny?” at track. This is actually a real situation for me in the Army. I’m terrible at running which is terrible when you’re a soldier. During a long run a buddy had to ask me why I ran so damn funny and I didn’t get what he meant. Apparently I never looked down at my feet because my feet would always land at an angle, and my stride would hurt. It’s ridiculous I never noticed… but it’s even harder to fix. To be conscious of every step in a run sucks, especially when you’re freaking exhausted and trying to focus on speed. But every year I got better and faster… but it’s still not easy to break something so habitual like the way your foot lands.
This morning I loaded up Mame and disabled the up key from my pad. I couldn’t jump at all. Couldn’t beat the first CPU opponent being stuck on the ground like I was. But I sure learned some counters. It’s pretty crazy how you react when you’re put out of your comfort zone. I wish there was a way to “disable” Specials in training mode as another training tool.
I really appreciate the time everyone took to help last night. My headset being busted is very untimely. I’ve basically had it for months for no real use and then when I finally need it, it’s broken. I apologize and Nasir, thank you for your patience that was top notch. More than I could ever expect.
I’ve gotten more out of a few matches with SRK members than I have with 7 years of random challengers.
You don’t really want to know this. Let’s just say 70% is a goal of mine for this month.
There are TOO many things to list that I’ve learned over the years. And yet I’m not a high level tournament winner. Seth Killian once said that SF was an incredibly difficult game to master. And he is absolutely correct. If you want knowledge to come to you, you need to play and play alot. Against a broad range of opponents. The more you play and do your homework the more you will make mental notes about the game, about yourself, about what is important in winning, about matchups, about tactics, about SO much other stuff. Don’t get discouraged. This is how SF works. Everyone that is a SERIOUS player goes through this. This is also why SF is such a great game. Sure I’ve played people that pick up the game really fast and so they can afford to start focusing on the more expert stuff like exactly how matchups work and footsies. But the majority of players are not like this. That’s why I think that even though Capcom thinks SF4 will lure alot of new players. The majority will soon realize that this game is very hard to master (just like any other SF). And will not be up to the task of putting the time and effort to really learn HOW TO PLAY STREETFIGHTER. Are you up to that challenge? Are you willing to take that long journey?:karate:
Honestly, that’s really high. As Kunai said, in SFIV, to be considered “good”, you need at least about a 60% win ratio.
For Tekken 6, my Asuka card is at about a 59%, and I don’t consider myself to be bad at all.
I’m not saying it’s bad to have goals, but if you have goals that are that high, then you’re only building yourself up to a big letdown.
Instead of focusing on win %, I would focus on each individual player. For me, playing a better player I might get 1 in 4 matches. If I play a bad player, I can easily get 10 in a row without thinking about it. However, I would rather play the better player and lose more than play the worse player and win more just to keep my win% up.
What I would do now is focus on how well you do against each individual player you play against, and over time, see if you’re winning more against that player as time goes on, and if you are, then I would say that it’s an improvement. But you can easily get a 70% win ratio if you don’t play anyone good, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting better. You see what I’m saying?
BTW if it makes you feel any better, i have roughly a 30% win ratio on my street fighter IV card. That game doesn’t click with me (tho I still like the game, I just don’t understand it like other people do), yet in other games, I can win tournaments and be among those considered a “top” player.
Don’t mean to advertise, but feel free to take advantage of the generous folks who volunteered to be mentors over here: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=173962 Will it help? Idk, but its worth a shot, at the very least you’ll get to play a few friendly matches with some SRK’ers. The thread is growing fast and its not even past release yet. There’s gotta be someone who will volunteer to mentor within the next 2 months that will have something to help you out.
wonna what the problem with you theory fighters? that’s it, your just theory fighters
unlike you, shoo is part of the FGC and is participating in competitive games.
unlike you, shoo has read all the important theory fighting post and has gone out to tournaments and knows what works and what doesnt… not from finding in reading, but from experience, actual experience from playing actual people.
and when shoo was said think-to-much-itis he wasnt referring to these stupid forums/thread. he was talking about thinking to much during an actual match, while playing
and how are you playing your opponents game when your reacting to things? come on, are you even thinking now? or are you just a theory fighter that believes your opponent is just gonna sit there and block while you elaborate setup is unraveling?
shit if your opponent jumps, you react and anti-air him.
your opponent sticks out a poke, you poke back with your highest priority normal
get a fireball thrown at you at close distance, you jump over and punish
THOSE WERE ALL REACTIONS TO YOUR OPPONENTS GAME PLAN
now guess what, your opponent doesnt wonna do anything cuz you’ve just beaten out every one of their attempts to get in.
ugh.
point and case playing on reaction means you counter everything your opponents tries to do, at which point their confidence isnt so hot making it okay for you to try to get in on them
It’s obvious that you get better by playing, but it doesn’t mean shit if you don’t know what’s going on.
It’s like saying “I want to be a better basketball player so I can try out for my HS team.” You can play in all the pickup games you want, but that isn’t the best way to get better. You need to dribble alot, and practice your shooting form. You can work on footwork for defending. Sure you still have to deal with the pressures of the game, and there are some things (like passing) that you’ll only get better at in actual gameplay, but it doesn’t mean shit if you don’t practice the skills you can practice in a controlled environment. Hell talk to any pro, and the first thing they’ll say “work on your excecution”.
The whole just get out there and play thing is a bit ridiculous. You don’t try to get into a pickup basketball game if you can’t even hit the rim consistently, or not dribble the ball with two hands like a rabbit. There is a certain baseline skill level that you should be at before playing or else you’re just spinning your wheels. Of course you need to play, and playing against the CPU does NOT make you better, but you still need to have your fundamentals down.
You learn more from losing than you do winning, but there’s not much to be learned from getting destroyed, or if you win by flailing away without knowing what’s going on.
I apologize then, perhaps I meant more to say 60% of the matches in any particular sitting. I get beat so bad, in a single room it’s horrid. I might win one, then I’ll lose the next 5. Then I scrape in another win and so on. It’s kind of disheartening but you always feel like you edged something out. Every win feels rewarding. I can’t hope to get an official 60% rated winrate. No way. Kunai is way too humble in his words, I’m lightyears away from even his level of play.
I’m slowly beginning to get to the point where I’m building confidence offensively. Played a very helpful player called “Mandible” who was not afraid to tell me what would work defensively, but he never cut me any slack. What it meant was after losing to Sagat 20 times in a row as Chun-li, finally defeating him meant something. I’ve learned to see my mistakes, and in fact, I’ve learned to dread my own errors as much as I dread the actions of my opponent. I have them square in my sights.
I actually heard myself say “You would usually jump here. Why not, just stay put? Why panic? Why do you feel you have to do something here?” I slowed down, and ended up saving myself unnecessary damage each time. Each match I lost, it was due to poor execution and less about bad mannerism like jumping into a slow Psycho Crusher.
It’s difficult, because this game is so, so subtle. Like chess, but far more intense because you can’t just block a mistake or take a step back. You really have to look hard into your opponent and do things he does not expect. I threw this same Sagat three times in a row and he was shocked to hell. It never worked again because he adapted to it… but it made me think “Why did it happen in the first place?”
Because I had been losing so much, or eating so many hits. The last thing he expected was for me to be bold and attempt a move like that. I even landed a meaty SBK, df+RH. I realized that even good players can fall into mental lulls where they won’t expect you to do well suddenly. That’s when I realized, if I can simply adjust myself, execute better and challenge the expectations of my opponent, it can be me landing the hits and shaking him up. It’s going to take time.
If you’re only 50/50 in quick ranked matches then you do have a long way to go indeed.
But you say you were jumping in xbox live rooms, I know depending on the room you can get some really tough competition in there. If it’s a bunch of players who happen to be better than you than of course you’ll lose most of the time.
What I’m saying is that what you get in those rooms may not be representative of the wider sf player base. The players you are seeking out might skew better thus affecting your results.
Anyway I’d have to see you play, but that’s not possible. There are plenty of very helpful people here on xbox.
I wish you luck. Keep it fun though, as obsessed as people can get with street fighter, it’s supposed to be fun.
No need to apologize, but as you said, you learned more by being able to get that one win in vs the Sagat player than if you beat someone who you’re way better than 10x in a row, which is the point I was trying to make.
It’s done quite a bit actually. But I understand what you mean.
Thank you all for the help. I know to some of you, this is very silly. I came from a fighting game background, just to be dumped on my head when I realized how much I had to go. I think some people take Street Fighter too seriously, sure. However I also feel some people take it for granted.
They take their skills for granted because maybe they don’t realize just how good they really are. How the people in the arcades shaped them to be what they are and the opportunities they had in the world of fighters. We have people on this forum playing in Japan, I wonder if they realize how badly some people in the US would love to do that if even for a week or two.
Maybe to them it’s an everyday thing, but to me, I want more. I want to have what you seem to feel is so easy to achieve. I am envious of that kind of nonchalance, but I will have it. I can see that now.
I guess maybe it does appear as crying, so I apologize. However I wouldn’t go back to where I was before this thread. I’ve gained much here, even from you.
You act like me being in Japan playing in arcades just kinda fell into my lap…lol…
And I’ve had years of tourney experience. I’ve been playing in tournies for over 6 and a half years, and I worked hard to get here to Japan, and I spend a lot of money and all my weekend free time going out and leveling up at games, playing in tourneys, etc. To say that I “take it for granted” kinda gives the message that I just somehow ended up being good enough to do well in tournies, and somehow just magically ended up here in Japan. It’s not really like that, I had to put in effort just like anyone else who got to where they are in fighting games now (or where they are in life now).
Moral is: You have to do it yourself. Don’t go envying others because they’re better at fighting games, make it happen for yourself. I always thought it would be cool to get good at the guitar but I was never like “oh, you guys that got good at it are SOOO lucky,” because they had dedication and they practiced hard to get to where they are. It’s similar to that. It doesn’t come easy. As any top player how much they play fighting games and stuff, and how long they’ve been playing, and vs any amateur player, I’m sure it’s way more.
A lot depends on your level of comp too. Put me in a room with your average 360 online scrubs- I’m going to win 95%, with the other 5% being me beating myself. Put me in a room with say Damdai when he’s not sandbagging me, and two other top players, and I’ll be lucky to scrape any wins out.
So it’s not so much how much you win, but how good the others are as well.
Mixing up your style is necessary, and that is something that can be done mechanically- that’s something you can force into your style, and I think it’s necessary. I mean, sometimes I’ll try to walk in and throw a Gief just to keep him honest. As for the execution errors, once you get better- those will go away some.
I would never imply that you didn’t earn your place or your efforts. But you caught it on the nose, it is envy, and it shouldn’t be something I should be doing. I’m not a kid anymore, and you’re right, life can take you places and put you amongst some great opportunities. Sure, if I had grown up in Cali I might have been playing next to some of the best of the best. I might have also gotten frustrated and given up, who knows.
I understand your point: that all of that is meaningless. I’m an adult now, I can make the decisions and put myself where I want to be. Everything else is excuses. I apologize if I came up as conceited, your words as well as Kunai’s I deeply respect. I probably took this thread deeper than it ever meant to me. Thank you though, for taking the time.
Takes me all of two minutes to type all this… lol, sometimes I don’t realize just how many words I spit out. That’s what I get for being on the net since I was 10 lol
…and after 9 hours of HDR I’m kind of pooped.
I used to walk into rooms and if I saw someone with a ridiculous winstreak I tended to walk out of it. but due to the advice here I’ve been sticking it out. Especially if they have a mic I’ll stick around (Unless there’s a wicked amount of useless trash talk. Trash talking scrubs kind of confuses me. You already defeated them.) but these guys on HDR, I don’t know. Maybe I should have picked up Fatal Fury Special when it came out, or Live’s Hyper Fighting, because it’s like some of them have yet to unplug. They are potent.
…Chun-Li, you say? SF4 Chun-Li Thread. I’m also working on compiling everything in that thread into one big mega FAQ, hopefully I’ll have that done before the console release.
Which character I use per game changes, but I picked Chun in the loketests and have stuck with her. I have a 60% win ratio with her, and I regularly play against the Japanese guys you all watch match vids of, so I’d like to think I’m at least not a total scrub. I love this type of character - good, but winning depends on your skills and how well you know the game. I hate top tier because its just too brain-dead - abuse their best tactics and wins will come.
