Why are these games considered fighting games

[Ichipoo]

Forgive me oh intelligent members of SRK for I am going to fall for this guy’s trolling.

r3v, you’re probably playing, but the fact that you said that the DBZ and Naruto fighters aren’t “real” fighters, shows that you haven’t made an effort to play them at a higher level. I haven’t attempted to play the DBZ games competitively but the Naruto fighters had footsies, tick throws, frame traps, cancelling, etc. like in your oh so precious “real” fighters.

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Few tidbits

• For the majority of the match, you can see projectile spacing with their kunais and shurikens, much like you would with fireballs in SF.
• Cancelling in order to maintain frame advantage
• @ 0:08, Rockman puts aerial pressure on Zatachi
• @ 0:20, Zatachi performs a blockstring for pressure in order to set up Rockman for a grab
• Following the grab, Zatachi cancels the rest of Itachi’s grab animation into his counter jutsu to prepare for the possibility that Rockman KnJs the grab and tries to hit him
• Smart use of Itachi’s ougi animation in order to swiftly get away from Sasuke
• Sasuke’s ougi animation is CLEARLY a Shoryuken and Rockman at times uses it at times

Sure, these “joke” games are not as deep as your precious EVO worthy games but there are some depth to it, and at the end of the day, isn’t a fighting game basically two opponents facing off against each other in a 2 or 3D plane where they both attempt to deplete their opponent’s health to zero? =\

[Reruns]

Sure, these “joke” games are not as deep as your precious EVO worthy games but there are some depth to it, and at the end of the day, isn’t a fighting game basically two opponents facing off against each other in a 2 or 3D plane where they both attempt to deplete their opponent’s health to zero?

Depends on if we include Smash.

But usually yes.

[EricTwist]

ok see you make some good points, but there’s some problems here
the arenas are way too big in these games
Tekken 4 was a failure, due not only to the fact Jin was broken to hell, but many of the stages were way way too large(mall, airport, so on), and many including interactive elements, which are too distracting in a fighter. The rules for a fighter are this:

-small/medium sized arenas
-no interactive elements in arenas(ie destructible objects are verboten unless they are done classic SF2 style where they are mere bg objects that have no effect on gameplay whatsoever)
-no items
-stages must have flat floors, ie. no slopes, steps or other variations in terrain
-only acceptable stage interactions are walls/ringouts, ie. no stage hazards, no stage fatalities(ie. those 3d MK games) none of that
-proper side camera
-traditional move inputs(ie. no simplified inputs)

You can make up rules to fighters besides two characters fighting on screen??? ALRIGHT! My turn!

-Must not have comeback mechanics
-Must not allow fireballs
-No braindead techs
-Can’t have online
-No all girl cast
-Can’t be in 3D
–No Phoenix

YEAH! I think I’m getting the hang of this!

look at it this way, DMC and Bayonetta have cancels and zoning stuff too, but if they had pvp combat that wouldn’t make them fighters as they still have way too many nonfighter elements in them

If DMC and Batonetta had those that, they WOULD be fighters because there’s 2 characters fighting on-screen with humans controlling them FIGHTING. Not BEATING UP THE COMPUTER, FIGHTING.

Now go back to spankin your crap to the Kazuya family photo, gaynigga.

[Preppy]

Obvious troll is obvious. A proper section mod for FGD should come in and lock this thread shortly.

That would be a weird response: deciding to lock threads because one asshat wants to piss on your site seems to be rewarding them. I think the conversation not involving him has been semi-intelligent. Locking the thread would seem to be a dick move, even if it is based upon somebody just trying to shit on everyone else. I figure politely and quietly controlling the damage seems like a perfectly reasonable response.

I would encourage anybody not willing to ignore the troll to get the fuck out of this thread. Hopefully we’re over five here and have that level of self-control.