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Since you all want proof, here it is:

http://www.otakurevu.com/images/allaboutcapcom.jpg

THis is the cover for the "All about Capcom Fighting Mook"
THis Book is from Capcom, and was made to state all official information regarding Fighting games such as Street Figher.
You can view the translated version in http://kattuggla.oru.se/dmd01/dm0103/test/faqs/SFplotguide40.txt
According to the mook, The champion of the Street Fighter 2 tournament has also never been stated. Contrary to what some people think, there is no evidence or official statement whatsoever that Ryu won it, regardless of his popularity.

Basically, the winner of thournament is between Guile and Chunli. Storyline-wise, Chun-Li is the only character
with any shred of evidence whatsoever that she could have won it. Urien remarks in Street Fighter 3 that she was legendary during the second Street Fighter tournament, and what better way to become legendary than by winning the Street Fighter tournament?. Urien even said that she was the one who brought down “The Organization”, reffering to shadowloo.(strange how I repeat myself)

Logically-wise, Guile’s SF2 ending is the only one which really relies on him being the one to defeat M. Bison. Don’t get me wrong, Guile was’nt strong enough to beat him During Street Fighter alpha 3. But when the Psycho Drive was destroyed, Bison grew weaker, thus, allowing Guile to nail him.
But due to the new SF2 Revival endings, Chun-Li’s ending can happen without her defeating Bison in any way. she just states that she destroyed Shadaloo, not destroyed Bison.

If you’ve really read the plotguide like you claimed, then you should know that Guile DID beat bison, and Bison DID officialy invited competitros to the tournament.

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Dude, there’s no reason referencing the plot guide, 'cuz most of us have read it and have talked w/ the person who wrote it. Plus we all know 'bout AAC. You’re completely misinterpreting what the plot guide says. Sure, it’s likely that Guile defeated M. Bison, but the plot guide never says that it was officially stated that Guile won the tournament, and that’s my point. There’s a difference between something that’s probable and something that’s fact. The champion of the Street Fighter 2 tournament has never been stated. What i’m telling u is that you were completely wrong when you said that it was officially stated that Guile fought/defeated M. Bison. Therefore, I win.

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This was the point I was making all along. It was never stated and hence it cannot definately be Guile. It’s really that simple, you said it yourself man. Your last statement there was totally contradictory. i.e. Nothing has been confirmed… It is between Guile and Chun-li. Not too strong an arguement. Either it’s confirmed to be Guile or Chul-li, or Ryu is still a possibility. I was explaining to you that it is more likely to be Ryu for the following reasons…

  1. He is the main character in SF
  2. He is Capcoms mascot
  3. He is from Osaka, Japan - HQ of Capcom
  4. His ending REQUIRES him to win SF2 to happen. He cannot walk away from #1 in the awards of SF2 if he didn’t beat Bison.
  5. He is the most powerful fighter
  6. Every unofficial source that has talked about the SF2 tourny has stated he won, including the MK comic from Boxtree which seems to follow the SF cannon well. The storyline was worked on with Capcom I believe as they approved it all.
  7. Bison wanted to capture him and he has been Bisons focus.

I could go on but I will stop…

As for Chun-li, I think they are just refering to her bringing down Shadowloo. What did they say, ‘the legs that crushed Shadowloo’ or something…

Logically, both Ryu and Guile have the same about of reason to beat Bison given your justification as Guile has to beat him to have his ending of going home, and Ryu has to beat him to have his ending of leaving the awards. Just because Guile had a personal vendetta against Bison and Ryu didn’t, it doesnot change the fact that Ryu is still relying on beating Bison to get his ending. That is why your reason for Guile winning does not hold like you think it does. It is not a unique thing.

Mohammed Ali

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hmmm…Maybe I WAS jumping the gun by saying all the “self-claimed official” stuff. Maybe I should stop calling things official when they really are just probabilities. It’s just that evertime I read the plotguide I call it official when some of it were just maybes.
Consider what I said about Bison officialy beaten by Guile a Mistake. But I still think he is though.

I guess I can say that you’re right on that, eh?

holds out hand, expecting a hand-shake

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Honestly, I don’t think the Capcom plot guide really means anything. I think if they wanted to, at ANY POINT, they can change whatever happened to any character… nothing has to be set in stone. I think Udon is taking the SF story in a good direction (although I’d like to see less Cammy and more Ryu – first time I’d say I’d like to see more of a guy than a gurl); either way, I really don’t care if it follows the endings of the SF games or the “official” plot guide or “cannon” or whatever… I say if it’s a good story, then that’s all that matters.

At this point though, I don’t think they could bring in Gouken’s daughter, as they probably would have had to mention her in earlier issues if they wanted her to be in the SF comics at all.

That’s my two cents.

-Kent

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That’s cool man, I knew what you meant though. It is a possibility but in my eyes just not a likely one. Ryu has too much going for him to lose SF2. Consider his superiority in the game AND the way Capcom treasure him in real life. It doesn’t work any other way IMO as you can’t have Ryu as #2. I believe Udon are consulting Capcom on these main issues so I think they will give enough confirmation. Only 11 months to go :confused:

I actually think that Guile did fight Bison but as an unofficial match. I think he got really far, (as in to Balrog), and Bison decided to pay him a visit at his base. He left Guile hurt but wanted Balrog to beat him to death at the fight in front of eveyone. I think Guile would win that match but then lose or forfit the next one. As for Chun-li, I still believe Vega killed her father so after beating him I think she was too hurt to continue and felt she had avenged his death anyway. This is all personal opinion backed with some proof. Although the animated and comics aren’t official, they still get some info from Capcom which they use e.g. Ryu vs Dhalsim etc. This idea is supported by that but I don’t know if anything else supports it as well.

Anyway, keep up the interest in the storyline. It’s good to have different takes on ideas sometimes.

Shakes Hand

Mohammed Ali

P.S. What did eveyone think about my post with the SF2 tourny matches. I sent it with an attachment so you should find it quite easily. If you don’t agree with the later matches that’s fine but the earlier matches in particular. Any reason why it couldn’t happen? or indeed other matches that def. should have happened? Also, who likes the fights?

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-Cammy vs Vega-

I think all your fights axcept the Cammy versus Vega a bit odd.
I don’t think Cammy and Vega wouldd REALLY want to fight each other woud they?
In Street Fighter Alpha 3, Bison sent Vega to report on her whereabouts. After Vega Found her, Before they can fight, Cammy tells him that she does’nt want to hurt him, causing Vega to feel sorry for her and throw the match.
According to SFA3, Vega developed feelings for her.
He even saved her life after cammy was trying to save the dolls using the psycho drive, then brought her to Delta Red to start a new life.

Vega would’nt want to harm her, I think.

Or maybe they CAN fight.

Since Cammy lost her memory after all, After Cammy joined the Delta Red force and Heard of Bison’s wrong doings but remembered his name being in her past, she can decide to track him down because he’s evil, AND try to discover her past at the same time.

Since Vega still works for Shadowloo, Cammy would try to pursue him.

But there’s a chance that Vega Can just throw the match again, since vega cares for her so much.

-Ken vs Fie-long-

THis fight is cool. One Movie Star, and One famous two-time American Martial arts winner go at it? Can it get any better?

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Now that the alot of the arguing has stopped, what about the SF3 matchups?

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There’s just one small occurrence that convinces me though that Ryu still didn’t win SF2. If he did, he would have most likely met Gouki there and fought. Ryu’s dialogue with Gouki in Second Impact would be pretty much repeated in SF2 if they met. Therefore, I’d only choose Guile or Chun Li. But yeah I’m looking forward to seeing what happens in the comics.

Ryu does not have to be #2 because he doesn’t win SF2. He’s already too powerful for his own good, and when that happens the most powerful prefer to move on to a new level. (example Son Goku and others in DB/Z/GT) It’s one reason why Gouki never offically enters a tournament, because he knows it won’t be a challenge. He only seeks the elite, which is what Ryu begins to do as well.

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Now this is always something that puzzles me. Would Akuma come in and fight Bison RIGHT after he had just been beaten. I don’t think its much of a challenge beating up someone who is currently knocked out. Heck even I could kick in Bisons face if he was lying their unconcious :lol: Even if he wasn’t completely out for the count I still think that its a bit cheap to fight a guy straight after a big fight. What seems more likely to me is that Ryu walked away from the tourny after winning, Bison went to claim his 2nd place only to get beaten up at the awards cerimony by Akuma. It makes more sence then him fighting Bison when straight after Ryu, and explains how Akuma and Ryu never met. Also it doesn’t have to be at the awards, It could have been any other time. For example, after the fight I imagine Bison was going to get busted by Chun-li and/or Guile. It could also be that whilst they were waiting for back-up, Akuma comes in and finished the job. Then Guile or someone verifies that he’s finally dead. I don’t know, but it makes more sence than Akuma pounding an already pounded ass.

Mohammed Ali

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I think Akuma killed Bison after he was defeated by guile for obvious reasons.
Akuma’s ethical code stands for the Strong Warrior, right?

Upon hearing of the second Street Fighter tournament, Akuma probaly also heard of the all-powerful shadowloo and It’s leader Bison.
During the Battle between Guile and Bison, Akuma probaly witnesses the battle as well as Bison’s defeat. Ever since Akuma witnessed such a self-proclaimed Strong Warrior get defeated, Akuma was digusted to see this, thus, killed him afterwards thinking that such weakness does’nt deserve to live.

That’s my theory.

And I do have another theory based on HOW could’ve there have been a winner after the second Street Fighter tournament. Not the tournament winner.

Guile probaly fought Bison early in the Tournament, and defeated him. After Bison was defeated Bison was then killed by Akuma. All of this probaly happened early-middle of the tournament.

THat means that when Guile fought Bison early in the tournament, it was an un-officail match. In other words, thier fight never was a part of, or affected the outcome of the tournament. Then after he was beaten, Akuma, who never signed as a contender in the tournament, jumped in and killed him.

Not only does this mean that the host for the tournament is gone, it also means that the tournament can no longer call a final battle to declare the tournament champion, since the contender must face and defeat Bison in order to be declared the winner.

Realizing this, The Tournament Officials had to make up a final battle between some other two contenders in order to declare a winner.

and that’s my theory on how there was a winner.
This theory probaly makes the most sense out of all the other thoeries on how there was a winner.

1.Does Chunli hace any evidence that she won the tournament?

I used to think that, but now I don’t anymore.
Reffering to Street Fighter 3: third Strike, Urien said that Chunli was legendary due to the fact that she brought down Shadowloo. Urien did not mention anything about her winning the tournament.

  1. How about Cammy?

I don’t think she won either. Cammy only entered the tournament to find out the truth about her past through Bison.
After Bison told her what happened to her, Cammy left with the Delta Red to start a new life with her past behind her, thus, left the tournament.

Note that Cammy’s ending happened before Bison died. So that means Cammy left the tournament early on before his death, and before a winner can be announced.