Well I just repped you so that took one of those red bars away.
thx DG… …i had 1 green bar before so i guess more than 1 person bad repped me for asking people to be nice… and the comment was “stfu” …!
I agree to this. The players you mention DG i dont know or dont consider as Pro. When I say top player, usually you can mention the name and people know who he is and what games they are associated with. I know of Mr. Kof but I havent seen him win majors before…
check out the 98um stuff here http://www.youtube.com/user/Cyberfanatix
Btw, just because he isn’t winning majors doesn’t mean he isn’t top player material…however, just because you are winning them, doesn’t mean you are a top player anyway unless you look at the level of competition in those majors.
In the case of Mr. Kof, his gameplay does not make him a top player.
The thing about Pakistani play is that they are extremely defensive but they don’t really display much creativity in their gameplay. I’m pretty impressed with Mahtab from Pakstan though but overall both players in a match look afraid to move and take risks, resulting in boring matches.
Xiaohai called their gameplay “cheap”
Im not trying to take anything away from him at all. I know he is good at kof since Ive seen some of his vids and he does have some good skill and gameplay knowledge. As you say, when seeing the competition he plays against, to me isnt top. Maybe Im wrong for thinking that but that goes for most of the Kof scene in the USA.
Correct me if he has won majors before but Im not aware of any.
My question regarding sandbagging was to see what names pop up to whom do it. As I thought, not any names mention are top which tells me that either no one know of someone that does it, or that they dont do it at all. Im inclined to believe the latter.
Just to clarify, my response wasn’t regarding Mr. Kof in particular. While I do think that you don’t HAVE to win majors to be a top player, I don’t think Mr. Kof is a top player even though he hasn’t won majors (well, I’m assuming he hasn’t, maybe he has).
You can also be a top player and have shitty competition winning majors because your competition is shitty, isn’t compelling and NOT winning majors with shitty competition is even worse.
Mr. Kof is A top player in the US but that doesn’t mean anything in general.
Well it would be nice to see and acknowledge the level difference between USA and say Mexico / Brazil in 2k2 for a start.
Errr…how do you rep / neg rep someone?
Buy premium. 3 bucks for a month.
Mr.KOF has won majors… EVO 2009 in 98UM and KOFXI,
Nouveau Defi Prologue 2009 in KOFXI (Which was a top player invite between the USA and Northern Mexico.) Also I don’t talk to Emil so if you reply to anything he says I’ll only address you but not Emil. This shit like ‘I know Justin Wong doesnt sandbag’ is why I don’t listen to Emil and you SHOULDNT EITHER.
How the fuck does he know if he doesn’t? Doesnt he sit on his CPU?
Right…then he doesnt know SHIT. He loses the argument right there. Listening to Emil is what gets you guys IN HOT WATER IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSIONS.
Justin Wong sandbags in casuals trust me, I’ve seen it with my own two eyes. How can someone like Emil tell me Justin doesn’t sandbag if he’s never seen him in person?
**Fail. ** :lame: I’ve seen Justin Wong sandbag IN PERSON in two situations:
- EVO World 2007 money match vs. Dark Prince: He picked a low tier team w/Ruby Heart vs. Dark Prince AND LOST TO HIM…Not Justin’s main team= Sandbagging.
- In casuals at MWC in SF4, him and FloE were using random characters beating people RANDOM SELECT on SF4…does that sound like “Go Hard or Go Home?”
I don’t think so.
Jra64- EVO 2005- Got 3rd in Tekken 5.0, defeated Justin Wong convincingly (Justin got 4th), lost to Yuu and Crow (Who won that year btw).
EVO 2006- Got 4th in Tekken 5.0, but according to your logic “He’s not playing top players” right? I think his consistent rankings in Tekken 5.0 qualifies as a top player to me!
He retired to work on school etc, but HE IS BACK AGAIN NOW.
You asked me for the names of players and I told you the names of those that I know of in the USA and Mexico.
Mr. KOF won EVO World in KOFXI and 98UM Singles. His team also won 98UM Doubles. He also won KOFXI in Nouveau Defi Prologue 2009.
Just because you dont know of these players does not mean they don’t exist…would you not agree? Just because you haven’t heard of them in your circle does not mean they don’t exist.
Have you heard of Ugushi in Japan? Probably not…does that mean he’s not the #1 2002 Player in Japan…NO.
The only way to do that is through tournaments…and at Nouveau Defi Prologue Juarez won vs. us in 2002 as Juarez got top three in KOF 2002.
MR. KOF beat Kane9999 (#1 KOFXI player in CD. Juarez, Rodo #2 arguably tied for #1 in CD. Juarez also) in KOFXI in a riveting Grand Finals.
Also if you and your “circle” hasn’t heard of these players, then tell me **in KOFXI in Mexico **who has your circle heard of???
Now “Top” Talent is a VERY Subjective term you know that, thus I am not gonna continue this debate if it’s gonna rely on subjectivity. I’m going off facts what I know, from international tournaments being EVO and Nouveau Defi Prologue, and I don’t follow Capcom that much so I don’t know too much about the top players there.
From here on out, if ANY OF YOU refer to Emil’s posts in your own posts talking to me I’m gonna slowly stop replying to you…It’s flamebait, drags the thread down, and if you can’t see that then that’s why I need to stop replying to you. Emil’s replies REEK OF IGNORANCE And I cannot stand above all Ignorance, it’s my #2 Pet Peeve! (#1=smelly coochie! 
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-DG
Fair enough. I havent been following any kof XI stuff since I find 98um and 2k2um more involved and see better matches from it. I dont follow EVO either so my mistake if Mr.Kof has won in them…
I didnt know it was a crime to quote someone and agree to their opinion. Is it wrong that I feel the same way as he does? There is a serious problem if anyone cant allow someone else to agree or disagree to an opinion, which is all what im doing. Im not boasting or flattering Emil with my post, just simply agreeing. Plus how was I flamebaiting???
I know there has been heaps of Korean / japanese players that have gone to EVO and have one it. I know of Yuu and Qudans, but thats about it. Im sorry if i dont know jra64. I do know in the tekken scene there are some moster players in the USA.
In the end, I personally think I have a different definition to sandbagging (I dont even use this term at all) compared to yours.
I perfectly understand what you are saying DC and respect it because you are coming at it respectfully. I’m trying to keep this thread civil and anything in regards to Emil puts it off course. It’s perfectly fine to disagree, no problem with that whatsoever, I encourage people to speak their mind :tup: …it’s just really about Emil putting the conversation somewhere it doesn’t need to be which I’m trying fervently to avoid. Plus you are rational, Emil isn’t. :china:
Also just wanted to illustrate that players do sandbag, and it’s as effective as Playing with all you got 100% of the time.
-DG
Well hey DG, I wanted to ask this before but I got to derailed lol. In ur honest and professional opinion, who is the best KOF player (generally speaking accorss all KOF games) in the USA and SA?
You can only do that if you have a Prem account.
OMG, Picking a team that isn’t your main is NOT necessarily sandbagging. Your definition of sandbagging is pretty whack.
Man Dark Geese will do anything to get people to side with him. There is something I forgot to mention before but…when Yosuke from Japan came to the US, he played Dark Geese in the grand finals in Neowave. Now, Yosuke supposedly had never played kof NW, and was not a kof player at all (but rather a VF player). When that match occurred, Dark Geese was constantly hyping it up as a US vs. Japan matchup, even though Yosuke in NO way represented the kof neowave scene in Japan. It’s disgusting. Anyone that is unfamiliar with this would look at the videos and think “oh, it looks like US is on par with Japan in Neowave” which is laughably false.
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Can’t say that because that’s too unknown…that’s like asking a astronomer how many planets there are in the universe…we don’t know that…too many variables…
anyone that claims to know this is full of shit…too many variables…
And I do mean ANYONE that claims to know this is full of shit…because if you put the USA vs. South America once again its all about MATCHUPS…Matchups determine results…NOT MATCH VIDS…
This is what I was telling WilMaster002 on youtube (A guy from Canada) who just seems like another ignorant Jap dick rider who doesn’t travel much so his POV is very, very limited and ignorant, and it’s based on HOW PRETTY JAPANESE YOUTUBE VIDS LOOK OMFG. (Yes I’m being harsh here because it’s the truth!)
What do you mean?
People like “E” and WilMaster002 claim you can tell by match vids who is superior…
NO YOU CAN’T…doesn’t work that way!
It’s about matchups…how one person matches up against others…its all about individual matchups…not about ANYTHING ELSE…
Because if what they said was true then in other things not like gaming…
-The BCS would be right every year
-Cincinnati wouldnt have lost to Oakland (NFL)
-Philadelphia wouldnt have lost to Oakland (NFL)
-The Patriots wouldnt have lost to the Broncos (NFL)
-The Giants wouldnt have lost to the Broncos (NFL)
-Boise St. wouldn’t have beaten Oklahoma in the Bowl game
-Alabama wouldnt have killed Florida in the SEC Title Game
-Texas wouldnt have beaten USC in the 2005 National Title
-BYU wouldnt have beaten OU in the first game of the season in college football
-Utah wouldnt have beaten Alabama in the Bowl game last year
-Oregon, Washington and Arizona wouldnt have beaten USC this year
-Ohio St. wouldnt have lost to Purdue
-OU wouldn’t have lost to Florida in the title game last year (They were ranked #1 right???)
And I could keep going ON AND ON AND ON…On match vids the team that lost looks superior to the one that they LOST TO…Would everyone not agree?
BUT THAT TEAM STILL LOST DIDN’T THEY???
So that throws that entire argument out the damn window.
Uh huh, just like you said you record match videos of yourself playing other people so you can analyze them and notice patterns/tendencies. Right.
No, your argument fails hard because you keep thinking that winning MEANS you are better. Better players CAN lose to less skilled players. I don’t think Oogosho and Kyabetsu were the best SF4 team at SBO but they still won it.
There are many variables that come together to determine who is the better player. The better player can still lose if he gets hit by say, a really big combo or gets placed into a really tight situation where he gets mindgamed and cannot recover from that situation. At the same time though, there are certain skill level gaps where I can never expect the weaker player to ever pull out a win.
I’m not american, I have no idea who those teams are, but I believe if you’re talking about football, that it isn’t a good analogy.
Football is a team sport, it might be one player fault if they lost, might be the coach. Maybe a player played their absolute best in this match but still lost because of someone/something else. You can’t blame someone specifically though, if you lose in KOF, it’s your own fault so it’s easy to compare the players.
While I agree you can’t tell who is gonna win while watching vids if the gameplay is about the same level, you can still tell who is better as long as the video is relevant. You cannot deny this, being better doesn’t mean you win.
But this isn’t what I meant when I asked, and you didn’t really answer me. I’m not sure anyone here ever said Japanese wins over Mexico because their match vids were prettier, of course if people want to win they have to play the game against each other? Who the hell is this youtube guy, and why are you posting about him like he matters?
There is no need to pick random example from elsewhere to fuel your argument here especially if noone shares his opinion.
I’ve been hearing it on youtube by people named SeijiSakuma, WilMaster002, here by people named X20STRIKEFREEDOM, “E” (The person above me I have on ignore) so I figured I’d address it here that’s really it.
Being better on match vids doesn’t mean you win- Because to me if you are the better player you will win, all it is to it. It’s not about who looks prettier on match vids, it’s about who gets the W. I know better than to judge based off match vids alone, I’ve seen this time and time again in tournaments, the person that “looks the prettiest” doesn’t always win.
So therefore being better on match vids doesn’t= You are better.
Winning a tournament means you are better.