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<div class=“QuoteAuthor”><a href="/profile/16300/PsychoJosh">PsychoJosh</a> said:</div>
<div class=“QuoteText”>…ugh.<br><br>I really think they’re going about this all wrong. While I can kind of see the logic behind adding male characters in the hopes that it’ll attract a wider audience (which they should’ve been trying to do in the FIRST PLACE, but whatever), they don’t seem to understand the kinds of male characters that general audiences want.<br><br>The kinds of people who won’t play all-girl fighters because of the lack of dudes are generally people who like playing as cliche anime characters. They want to play as anime pretty boys, dudes with spiky hair and colorful glows that keep talking about power levels. They want to play as ninjas or guys with swords. They want to play as characters like Akuma, Vergil, you know, some Naruto/DBZ/Bleach sort of shit. <br><br>They DON’T want to play as… anvils. Or nerdy fish.<br><br>Just something to consider.<br></div>
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I don’t think that is true.</div>
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Um, okay. Don’t give a reason why or anything.<br>
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<div class=“QuoteAuthor”><a href="/profile/62866/DRaGZ">DRaGZ</a> said:</div>
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Except I did. Those are the kinds of characters general audiences want to play as. Those archetypes are the ones that are the most popular with fighting game players. People don’t just want ANY male characters, they specifically want ninjas and power levels and swords and spiky hair.<br><br>When I see things like fat fish and rule 63 ripoffs of characters from other fighting games I get to thinking that the Skullgirls devs don’t understand what people outside their little niche actually want.<br>
Except I did. Those are the kinds of characters general audiences want to play as. Those archetypes are the ones that are the most popular with fighting game players. They want ninjas and power levels and swords and spiky hair.<br><br>When I see things like fat fish and rule 63 ripoffs of characters from other fighting games I get to thinking that the Skullgirls devs don’t understand what people outside their little niche actually want.<br></div>
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You specifically mentioned Akuma and Vergil. They’re currently extra popular because they’re currently the best goddamn characters in their games. DBZ/Naruto stuff exists, sure, but then there’s also the popularity of characters like Haggar, Zangief, Q (Big Band basically is), Dudley, Ken, Ibuki, Chun Li, etc.<div><br></div><div>You haven’t actually cited any evidence other than “this is what I believe is that case.”</div>
Except I did. Those are the kinds of characters general audiences want to play as. Those archetypes are the ones that are the most popular with fighting game players. They want ninjas and power levels and swords and spiky hair.<br><br>When I see things like fat fish and rule 63 ripoffs of characters from other fighting games I get to thinking that the Skullgirls devs don’t understand what people outside their little niche actually want.<br></div>
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You specifically mentioned Akuma and Vergil. They’re currently extra popular because they’re currently the best goddamn characters in their games. DBZ/Naruto stuff exists, sure, but then there’s also the popularity of characters like Haggar, Zangief, Q (Big Band basically is), Dudley, Ken, Ibuki, Chun Li, etc.<div><br></div><div>You haven’t actually cited any evidence other than “this is what I believe is that case.”</div></div>
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No they aren’t. Akuma’s always been popular, so have Ryu and Ken, because they cater specifically to shonen archetypes. They’re not always the best characters in their games, but they’re always the most popular ones regardless. I’ll give you that Vergil MIGHT be popular because he’s the best character in MVC3, but Dante certainly isn’t, and he’s also one of the most-played characters. Also, characters like Haggar, Zangief and Q have extremely limited appeal in comparison to the shonen archetypes, so if the Skullgirls devs are padding their game out with male grapplers then they’re going about it all wrong because those character archetypes are considerably less popular than the ones who fire ki energy blasts and flaming uppercuts.<br><br>Also, Ibuki and Chun-Li aren’t even male characters. What the fuck? Why would you even bring them up?<br>
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<div class=“QuoteAuthor”><a href="/profile/67955/Evu">Evu</a> said:</div>
<div class=“QuoteText”>i really hope they are going to use a <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaustive_ballot”>exhaustive ballout voting system</a> till the character with the absolute majority is found. That would give the more unknown and/or male characters actually a chance over black dhalia, marie or umbrella, who i suspect to have quite a big voting base with the silent majority of (casual) skullgirls players… <br><br>so that would help to cater to the more dedicated fanbases of some characters and also to find a really good compromise in the end, even tho it might result in a bit more effort<br><br>regarding the opening question: even tho i neither play persona nor am a fan of kanji, i kinda have laid my eyes on the silhouette with the folding chair on his back :3 (or rather the center of row 4 over all)<br></div>
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I want Umbrella due to two reasons:<br><br>A: She’s very important to the plot.<br><br>B: She was promised as DLC, so why shouldn’t she be dlc?<br></div>
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Agreed. I think umbrella should’ve been the second dlc character instead of big band.
Dante’s one of the best assist characters in UMVC3. He’s also one of the best on point. <div><br></div><div>Akuma’s always been popular because he’s surrounded by the reputation of being the most broken-ass character in ST, not to mention the really awesome way he was eventually introduced due to fan rumors. </div><div><br></div><div>And have you ever thought that the main reason Ryu and Ken were popular is because they’re the main characters of the series? You keep pushing your main two guys at the forefront of your campaign and they’ll inevitably end up getting more exposure and being more popular.</div><div><br></div><div>You’re not explaining anything at all, you’re just saying things you think are true in your little mind when they’re not. You have yet to actually provide any evidence. </div>
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<div class=“QuoteText”>Dante’s one of the best assist characters in UMVC3. He’s also one of the best on point. <div><br></div><div>Akuma’s always been popular because he’s surrounded by the reputation of being the most broken-ass character in ST, not to mention the really awesome way he was eventually introduced due to fan rumors. </div><div><br></div><div>And have you ever thought that the main reason Ryu and Ken were popular is because they’re the main characters of the series? You keep pushing your main two guys at the forefront of your campaign and they’ll inevitably end up getting more exposure and being more popular.</div><div><br></div><div>You’re not explaining anything at all, you’re just saying things you think are true in your little mind when they’re not. You have yet to actually provide any evidence. </div></div>
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Seriously? You just proved me right with everything you said, you idiot. Dante is not borderline broken like Vergil is, it is the consensus that he’s a fair mid-tier character who can do a bit of everything but he doesn’t really excel at anything. Akuma being a “broken-ass” character in ST doesn’t really explain why he’s still popular in 3rd Strike, SF4, and Marvel, as he’s FAR from broken in any of those games. Your original reasoning was that all of these characters mentioned were popular simply because they were the “best” characters in their games, now you’re changing your reasons to “oh, Akuma still has a reputation of being broken in ST” or “Ryu and Ken are the main characters”. Face it, you’re completely full of shit and won’t even admit it. Also you still haven’t provided a reason as to why I’m wrong about this assertion, and in fact you just proved to me that all of the character archetypes I mentioned have ENDURING popularity throughout their games regardless of how they actually play in those games, so great job, you’re defeating your own arguments before I can even get at them.<br><br>Still don’t believe me? Why are characters like Jin, Ragna, Relius and Hakumen the most popular characters in Blazblue? Why is Hayabusa the most popular character in DOA5? Jacky the most popular in VF5? Something’s gotta give here, dumbass. Eventually you’re gonna run out of excuses and figure out that these characters are popular simply for being the archetypes that they are.<br>
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<div class=“QuoteText”>Dante’s one of the best assist characters in UMVC3. He’s also one of the best on point. <div><br></div><div>Akuma’s always been popular because he’s surrounded by the reputation of being the most broken-ass character in ST, not to mention the really awesome way he was eventually introduced due to fan rumors. </div><div><br></div><div>And have you ever thought that the main reason Ryu and Ken were popular is because they’re the main characters of the series? You keep pushing your main two guys at the forefront of your campaign and they’ll inevitably end up getting more exposure and being more popular.</div><div><br></div><div>You’re not explaining anything at all, you’re just saying things you think are true in your little mind when they’re not. You have yet to actually provide any evidence. </div></div>
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Seriously? You just proved me right with everything you said, you idiot. Dante is not borderline broken like Vergil is, it is the consensus that he’s a fair mid-tier character who can do a bit of everything but he doesn’t really excel at anything. Akuma being a “broken-ass” character in ST doesn’t really explain why he’s still popular in 3rd Strike, SF4, and Marvel, as he’s FAR from broken in any of those games. Your original reasoning was that all of these characters mentioned were popular simply because they were the “best” characters in their games, now you’re changing your reasons to “oh, Akuma still has a reputation of being broken in ST” or “Ryu and Ken are the main characters”. Face it, you’re completely full of shit and won’t even admit it. Also you still haven’t provided a reason as to why I’m wrong about this assertion, and in fact you just proved to me that all of the character archetypes I mentioned have ENDURING popularity throughout their games regardless of how they actually play in those games, so great job, you’re defeating your own arguments before I can even get at them.<br><br>Still don’t believe me? Why are characters like Jin, Ragna, Relius and Hakumen the most popular characters in Blazblue? Why is Hayabusa the most popular character in DOA5? Jacky the most popular in VF5? Something’s gotta give here, dumbass. Eventually you’re gonna run out of excuses and figure out that these characters are popular simply for being the archetypes that they are.<br></div>
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Ragna is blazblue’s main character. Jin is a rather prominent antagonist. Hakumen is an anti hero, which are almost always popular. Hayabusa is from ninja gaiden, so he gets points towards that.
Anyone but fucking Black Dhalia, eck, she looks so lame and dumb.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>This game needs a Bruce Lee inspired character, maybe Feng could be? Because of stereotypes.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I’d go with Panzerfaust, Victoria/Violet, and Science Shark.</div><div><br></div><div>Panzerfaust had my definite vote though.</div>
Well I want to see Hive and Leduc and Umbrella and Feng eventually. And Beowulf sounds funny.<div style=“font-weight: normal;”><br></div><div>But I would probably just vote for<b> Black Dhalia</b>. Because s<span style=“font-weight: normal; font-family: ‘lucida grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’, tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 1.7em;”>he really looks just awesome and I think this g</span><span style=“font-weight: normal; font-family: ‘lucida grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’, tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 1.7em;”>ame needs more projectile users.</span></div><div style=“font-weight: normal;”><span style=“font-family: ‘lucida grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’, tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 1.7em;”><br></span></div><div style=“font-weight: normal;”><span style=“font-family: ‘lucida grande’, ‘Lucida Sans Unicode’, tahoma, sans-serif; line-height: 1.7em;”>The only that might sway me would be if Eliza were in the poll. I like that egyptian motif, I like that she owns a night club and I am betting she will be a sort of classy piano bar type thing going. If that makes since at all</span></div>
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<div class=“QuoteText”>Dante’s one of the best assist characters in UMVC3. He’s also one of the best on point. <div><br></div><div>Akuma’s always been popular because he’s surrounded by the reputation of being the most broken-ass character in ST, not to mention the really awesome way he was eventually introduced due to fan rumors. </div><div><br></div><div>And have you ever thought that the main reason Ryu and Ken were popular is because they’re the main characters of the series? You keep pushing your main two guys at the forefront of your campaign and they’ll inevitably end up getting more exposure and being more popular.</div><div><br></div><div>You’re not explaining anything at all, you’re just saying things you think are true in your little mind when they’re not. You have yet to actually provide any evidence. </div></div>
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Seriously? You just proved me right with everything you said, you idiot. Dante is not borderline broken like Vergil is, it is the consensus that he’s a fair mid-tier character who can do a bit of everything but he doesn’t really excel at anything. Akuma being a “broken-ass” character in ST doesn’t really explain why he’s still popular in 3rd Strike, SF4, and Marvel, as he’s FAR from broken in any of those games. Your original reasoning was that all of these characters mentioned were popular simply because they were the “best” characters in their games, now you’re changing your reasons to “oh, Akuma still has a reputation of being broken in ST” or “Ryu and Ken are the main characters”. Face it, you’re completely full of shit and won’t even admit it. Also you still haven’t provided a reason as to why I’m wrong about this assertion, and in fact you just proved to me that all of the character archetypes I mentioned have ENDURING popularity throughout their games regardless of how they actually play in those games, so great job, you’re defeating your own arguments before I can even get at them.<br><br>Still don’t believe me? Why are characters like Jin, Ragna, Relius and Hakumen the most popular characters in Blazblue? Why is Hayabusa the most popular character in DOA5? Jacky the most popular in VF5? Something’s gotta give here, dumbass. Eventually you’re gonna run out of excuses and figure out that these characters are popular simply for being the archetypes that they are.<br></div>
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<br>So you’re both saying that the characters are popular PRECISELY because of their archetypes. You’re just reaffirming everything I’m saying.<br>
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<div class=“QuoteText”>Dante’s one of the best assist characters in UMVC3. He’s also one of the best on point. <div><br></div><div>Akuma’s always been popular because he’s surrounded by the reputation of being the most broken-ass character in ST, not to mention the really awesome way he was eventually introduced due to fan rumors. </div><div><br></div><div>And have you ever thought that the main reason Ryu and Ken were popular is because they’re the main characters of the series? You keep pushing your main two guys at the forefront of your campaign and they’ll inevitably end up getting more exposure and being more popular.</div><div><br></div><div>You’re not explaining anything at all, you’re just saying things you think are true in your little mind when they’re not. You have yet to actually provide any evidence. </div></div>
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Seriously? You just proved me right with everything you said, you idiot. Dante is not borderline broken like Vergil is, it is the consensus that he’s a fair mid-tier character who can do a bit of everything but he doesn’t really excel at anything. Akuma being a “broken-ass” character in ST doesn’t really explain why he’s still popular in 3rd Strike, SF4, and Marvel, as he’s FAR from broken in any of those games. Your original reasoning was that all of these characters mentioned were popular simply because they were the “best” characters in their games, now you’re changing your reasons to “oh, Akuma still has a reputation of being broken in ST” or “Ryu and Ken are the main characters”. Face it, you’re completely full of shit and won’t even admit it. Also you still haven’t provided a reason as to why I’m wrong about this assertion, and in fact you just proved to me that all of the character archetypes I mentioned have ENDURING popularity throughout their games regardless of how they actually play in those games, so great job, you’re defeating your own arguments before I can even get at them.<br><br>Still don’t believe me? Why are characters like Jin, Ragna, Relius and Hakumen the most popular characters in Blazblue? Why is Hayabusa the most popular character in DOA5? Jacky the most popular in VF5? Something’s gotta give here, dumbass. Eventually you’re gonna run out of excuses and figure out that these characters are popular simply for being the archetypes that they are.<br></div>
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<br>So you’re both saying that the characters are popular PRECISELY because of their archetypes. You’re just reaffirming everything I’m saying.<br></div>
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I didn’t realize that protagonists, antagonists, anti-hero’s, and pre-game existence are all anime archetypes
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<div class=“QuoteText”>The kinds of people who won’t play all-girl fighters because of the lack of dudes are generally people who like playing as cliche anime characters. They want to play as anime pretty boys, dudes with spiky hair and colorful glows that keep talking about power levels. They want to play as ninjas or guys with swords. They want to play as characters like Akuma, Vergil, you know, some Naruto/DBZ/Bleach sort of shit. <br><br>They DON’T want to play as… anvils. Or nerdy fish.<br><br>Just something to consider.<br></div>
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I’m not particularly fond of all female casts either, but that doesn’t mean that I’m not incredibly fond of quirky or unconventional characters. Pretty much all of the characters I use in fighting games have some sort of wackiness to them. The degree of their zaniness varies, but it’s an aspect of them that I especially enjoy and naturally gravitate to. <br><br>I love characters like Viewtiful Joe and Rocket Raccoon in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, I love the weirdness of Yoshimitsu in the Soul and Tekken series, I play Teddie in Persona 4: Arena, etc etc. That sort of thing just greatly appeals to me.<br><br>Anime pretty boys are pretty whack most of the time. I’ll pick up a character like Stanley Whitefin ten times faster. Part of the reason I want science shark so much is because I want more of a reason to play Skullgirls than what I have now!<br>
