I feel it’s stupid, if a character is overpowered…why not use the character broken/overpowered. There is no reason to shun people who want to win? It’s the company fault for making the OP character what they are…
Hmm, the results listed on the old SRK page for this are different and show Choi winning 3 of 5 games, not 2 of 5.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011229225935/www.shoryuken.com/japan/
I remember reading one of Zass’s japan logs about how he noticed that japanese players had tended not to join in on him playing when he was playing as Claw or O.Sagat. It wasn’ta defined rule, but the players when having a choice would rather not play against a O.Sagat or Claw player. He then asked about Boxer, and they said that Boxer was ok because you need skill to do well with him.
That was but first exposure to “soft bans”.
Another was went my friend told my brother he couldn’t pick like 5 characters in A3.
Real talk, people talk like back then that this mentality doesn’t exist in the old days and that this is a new thing.
You might say Hilde is ‘soft-banned’ in SC4. Everyone boos someone playing her when she starts up her BS, and cheers when she’s beaten. They think she’s a ‘crutch’ character.
That’s the reasoning behind saying O.Sagat was soft-banned in ST. They thought he carried a lesser player, simply by being O.Sagat.
Not everyone wants to play with Vega, O.Sagat, Boxer or Dhalsim in ST all the time, with 32 characters to choose among, counting old versions. Also, O.Sagat is better than Ryu, but he is not Ryu, sort of like Guile is slightly better than Dee Jay, but he is not Dee Jay. There is a variety of attacks and strategies to use among the different characters.
Still doesn’t justify a soft-ban.
Play who you want, but acknowledge that everyone plays to win and therefore don’t shun folks for picking good characters.
The whole thing still seems pretty immature to me. Either hard ban or deal with it, soft ban just seems weak. And in a tournament it would be pretty damn unprofessional.
So I should switch to O.Sagat, even though I find it boring and easy?
The point is ‘play whoever you want to play’.
Whatever standards/reasoning lead you to the character, largely irrelevant.
Ask cammy what she thinks of osag. You use ryu come on, ryu does well against him.
-women should not be underestimated-
Everything else aside it’s pretty undeniable that the lower frequency of o.Sagats and Claws than one would expect given their power level has made Japanese ST play much more interesting.
soft banning to me has always been that of, a frowned upon character or tactic that removes the competitive nature of the game from being played properly.
a hard ban is a permanent ban of a character or tactic that removes the competitive nature of the game and is decided amongst the top players.
most of the permanent banned stuff now were @ one point probably a soft ban by the tournament community. I’m sure Akuma got some soft ban treatment before he was just out right banned from tournament play in ST.
some characters ARE VERY VERY clear cut for permanent ban like ST akuma. Other characters are border line soft\hard ban and no one can quite make up their mind and when that happens, I think the tournament community just lets it ride out and the discussion is held off for another time.
this is beginning to tread on very controversial/sensitive ground but i am lightly inclined to agree.
same could possibly be said about 3S chun.
of course there are a lot of things other than prize money that motivate players to want to win in fighting games, but i do wonder how much Japan’s character selection is “influenced” (as compared to north america) by their traditionally not having any prize incentives for winning tournaments.
the usual one-game “sets” and single elim brackets probably play a factor too.
I definitely attribute part of it to lack of a prize money, but I have entered tournaments with money, consoles and sticks as prizes and still refused to pick him.
I feel like ryu can make more mistakes though.
Also, ryu’s srk doesn’t lose to normals either. (You know what I’m saying)
Also, its your preference. Use who you feel gives you the best chance at winning.
-trolls suck-
What is Petshop and Ivan Ooze?
Ryu’s “mistakes” at the O.Sagat match-up are like trying to guess with a Short Tatsu and eating a high Tiger, landing from a jump on a Tiger, or jumping into an Uppercut or sweep. It does not happen to O.Sagat because he does not need to do it: he can just keep on walking forward and throwing Tigers. He is safe from you guessing a Tiger with a jump-in: his only danger is you jumping even before he throws one. That while you eat a shitload of chip damage and tigers on your extended limbs.
The vast majority of matches I see O.Sagats lose, it is cos they get afraid of Ryu’s super, even though it will not be enough to even the score. So they end up getting cornered while Ryu still has his super, which is really dangerous. As O.Sagat, you can just keep on throwing low Tigers: if you are not from full screen away, you will take the first hit of his super, but will block the rest. Just proceed to throwing Tigers to take the round and match. The other way O.Sagats lose is when they do something very stupid, such as throwing slow high tigers at Ryu with Bar, or fast high Tigers when Ryu is close.
I rate the match-up 3-7 to 2-8. Probably 3-7.
Learn the match up or stfu. Yun is no where near ban tier. No one in 3S is except Gill who has every reason to be banned. Same with ST Akuma and Ivan Ooze.
And the only reason O.Sagat was ever “soft banned” here was because he was soft banned in Japan for a brief period. Once they lifted that it was open season but people eventually learned the match up and O. Sagat although still viable is not as big of a threat as originally thought.
Petshop is the tiny bird character from JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure.
This post from the 1st page has an embedded video of match play featuring him.
Ivan Ooze is the selectable boss character from Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Fighting Edition.
This YouTube video popularized his status as one of the most broken characters of all time.