HI, why the 3D fighting games aren’t as popular or appreciated as the 2D by the fgc?
I mean, no EVO moments, less people playing them, less 3D than 2D in the EVO, less streamings… etc
Why?
I don’t know. Ask their communities. -Goes back to playing KOF13-
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/
But seriously, at least from a spectator viewpoint, 3d games are just less fun to watch if you’re not sure what’s going on. I mean to an untrained eye fighting games look like just 2 (or more) characters just jumping around and throwing out seemingly random attacks, but most 3d fighters look like that even more. At least with most 2d games now, there’s usually big combos, supers, and generally flashy stuff to grab people’s attention. Not to mention, match-ups and gameplans can kind of be ascertained even if you aren’t that well versed. Anyone watching Dhalsim vs Zangief knows the skinny Indian guy with stretchy limbs wants to stay the hell away from the big Russian, so even that basic framework can make the fight more exciting to watch. It can still be entertaining, even if you don’t exactly understand what’s happening in detail. 3d fighters…not so much.
Also, in terms of games sold, I’m pretty sure Tekken is the best selling fighting game by a large margin, so I’m sure there’s no shortage of players.
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Just because 3D games don’t appear on SRK front page or forums frequently doesn’t mean they’re not popular.
The games themselves have nothing to do with their popularity. Trends always come and go. Was there something “wrong” with SF or any other fighting game when Smash Melee was 10 times more popular?
EVO was always a SF based event at its core. So when the new shit comes up to end SF4’s 15 minutes of fame, EVO’s name will decline as well and it will go back to how it was prior to 09’.
Fixed.
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3D does have EVO Moments, but you need to understand the game logic before seeing why they are hype.
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The Jaxel Stream is basically dedicated to 3D games.
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The Tekken Community is like the third largest Community in the USA. They always show up to play their game and they are always at EVO. The only time they weren’t at EVO was when they said they didn’t give a shit about Tekken 6 not being at EVO last year because they were waiting for TTT2 and everyone was tired of Bob vs Law with some Bryan or Jack mixed in. ( I really wanted Ryan Hart’s Kazuya to show everyone up.)
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Forget streaming my friends, show up to the events and support your games! They need more players than stream monsters and you’ll have MUCH more fun that way.
VF: Not flashy enough. Also made by Sega who constantly does stupid things
Tekken: Has become too bloated and inaccessible, worse of all no Tekken fan seems to see it as a problem
SC: Latest game was treated extremely poorly by the higher ups at Namco, despite the developers doing a great job for the shoestring budget
DOA: Never taken seriously, too much sigma especially due to the hold nonsenses
I know that Tekken is hugely popular around the world. But, for the most part I don’t like 3D FGs either.
I got into Soul Calibur, 2, 3 and a little of 4, for a awhile, but that was mostly in the years before SF4 came out and there wasn’t much else I was interested in. After SF4 came out I’ve been back to 2D games including MvC3.
Can’t give you an exact reason but I’m sure the fact that I grew up playing SF2 and it’s many incarnations probably has a lot to do with it. SF/2D figthers just feel like home to me.
There are some Tekken fans who see it as a problem, they just don’t ever post on SRK.
That’s the thing too ,for info about 3D games you have to go to the foums where they are actually discussed. Not many people on SRK know/care much about them. Namco games are the more popular 3D games though.
I’m not sure of what you people think, before I even knew about fighting games I got more hype watching SC5 evo than UMvsC 3, that final match of SC was… amazing, on the other hand I stopped watching the UMvsC video when I saw a guy with 25% life strting to flash red and doing insane damage on the opponent, so imo, a superb comeback factor doesn’t add hype, is the same as the Tekken videos a guy with less than 30% life against 2 gets rage, does a super wall-bounce-combo and kills the opponent, I don’t see what is flashy there -.^
Then what’s your point? People like different things…
My point is that I don’t understand why, for example SfxT and SCV was released close to each other, SCV at evo was great and SfxT was horrible to see and the lineup has SfxT as the main game, I don’t get it, it’s not fair imo, and I think that this is part of the question of why the ppl doesn’t love the 3D or they even don’t give them a chance.
SFxT got another chance because of the Update. SCV didn’t pull numbers last year after and the community as a whole isn’t really behind the game while those who play SFxT have been really trying to get the game played…
That’s as fair as you can get it. That’s why TTT2 is there. Community may be smaller than SF4 or UMV3 but its people ALWAYS try to come out.
Clear explanation, thx.
ah thats because they don’t have the flash 3d games.
KOF MIRA ,FUC, Bloody roar series.
3D games require a lot more information to pick up or follow at a tournament level imo. They’re also usually more rounds (3 out of 5 instead of 2 out of 3) so the pace is naturally going to be slower/require more patience. Less people are willing to stick with that than a faster or less information intensive game (which 2D games usually are compared to 3D).
Now when it comes to a less popular 2D or anime fighter, I’m not exactly sure what puts so many people off from picking it up besides maybe aesthetics/theme. Maybe unrecognizable characters too (you’d be amazed at how much this matters to some people). More importantly though, what’s the factor that keeps people from sticking with the game after they pick it up? Me, I usually quit eventually because less and less people stick with them… leaving virtually nobody to practice/play against, but I don’t know what makes those people quit in the 1st place.
SCV didn’t pull numbers where exactly? Because it had alot more than KOF did throughout the year and more entrants than MK at EVO. And the people who actually show up to events are behind the game.
Because it’s not about 3D games versus 2D games. SFxT is back because of the patch, eSports, and because it will receive crossover from people who are entering SF. It had close to 900 entrants last year eventhough the majority of people want to see the game go away.
And it’s not about what’s wrong with 3D, it’s just Capcom has the most popularity right now. Eventually something else will. But the events that I care about all have SCV in the lineup, so I’m good.
SCV had 70 people at NEC. I don’t really know the attendance for the other games but my impression was always 50+ is good. There are people who played SC4 who don’t like SC5, but you’re bound to get that with nearly every game.
SCV had 71 at NEC and 20+ just there to watch and support the tournament. I can tell you numbers for other games, but for the most part, certain games are going to be stronger in certain regions than others, or people will come out to certain events for particular games than others. For example Persona gets 100+ at Summer Jam and NEC and 30-40 everywhere else. Soulcalibur is stronger on the east coast than everywhere else.
These days, I really don’t know what’s good anymore because two years ago for games not named SF and Marvel, 30+ was great. I guess games that don’t get 100+ are dead it seems.
I can tell you for a fact that SC4 is dead. There’s no one left still playing the game seriously. Either they transferred over to SCV or they quit because they don’t like SCV for whatever reason.
And I really don’t know why SCV was left out of EVO, but it is what it is. EVO is still a Capcom tournament at heart and they can decide what to include and exclude. I’m just tired of this popularity content and having the fate of the game decided solely on what one tournament out of the year decides to do. There’s plenty of events to go to this year and now you have VXG competing against EVO, DOA at IPL, and Sega throwing their own event for VF in SoCal, so it’s not the end of the world.