What's with all the unnecessary nerfs to zangief?

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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Jesus Christ, why are they so fucking stupid?? -5 and -3 may as well be the same fucking thing. He was perfect in the build I played. Ughh…I’m physically pissed off right now.

EDIT: I don’t see a “+” anywhere, so it looks like they may have taken out the extra advantage on cr.LK too. So basically, we got no buffs…

182

hahahah what the fucking shit man…

Zangief

  • Close standing light kick is now special, focus, red focus and super cancellable.
  • Far standing medium punch hurtbox increased. Hurtbox now appears in front of him from the first frame.
  • Far standing medium kick is now -3 frames on block, instead of -7 frames. -7 frames on block, instead of -10 frames.
  • Angled jump heavy punch hurtbox slightly increased.
  • Light Piledriver range changed to 1.70 from 1.75.
  • Light Banishing Flat now has 8 frames startup instead of 11 frames. Hit advantage is now -3 frames instead of -5 frames. It is now -8 frames on block instead of -7 frames.
  • Medium Banishing Flat now has 11 frame startup instead of 13 frames. It is now -6 on block instead of -8.
  • Heavy Banishing Flat now has 14 frames startup instead of 16 frames. it is now -6 on hit instead of -7, and -7 on block instead of -9.

-3 / -5 whats the difference? not much. theres still a punish from the whole cast.

183

Wow if it really is -3 now that’s jut such a shame. Not surprised if it’s true though. That’s a total game changer now.

184

lol, it all goes full circle, first changelist was absolute shit for us, we got mad, we got some buffs in the way, and the final changelist takes the best of them away, and it’s also a direct nerf to Lights OS GH > Red Focus considering that we’ll have less meter to play with now.

It all comes tumbling down
tumbling down
tumbling dooooown.

185

This version will be intensly unbalanced, and in favor of braindead characters like Balrog, Guile etc.

186

Fuck, fuck fuck fuck FUCK we were almost there. He was almost decent. Not even good; fucking decent. Fuck man, I wish I didn’t play that shit this past weekend. I got so fucking excited for nothing. FML…FMWE (fuck my whole existence)…</vent>

187

Maybe we should all post on capcom forums before it is to late?

188

If they didn’t listen then, they probably won’t listen now. I’ve heard some people saying that these aren’t final and there will be another list when Decapre releases. So, maybe there’s a glimmer of hope. I’m wouldn’t hold my breath for it though.

189

But we havent really done anything to get our voices heard, other than talking to our respective area-capcom-rep in a tour where everyone is spamming them :stuck_out_tongue:

190

You guys have to much faith in Combofiend and the rest of the team. Normally, I’m the optimistic type too but just look at the pattern since Vanilla. Look what they’ve done to this character after every iteration. Read and listen to what Combofiend says about Gief.

191

What else can we do but spam the message boards and talk directly with the people supposedly in charge of changes?

Ugh, I know it sounds stupid but this seriously ruined my day. I’m salty as fuck, man…

192

All I hear other character players talking about is wanting their moves + frames on block and we are over here just trying to have lpgh -2 or on HIT, wth.

193

That is ABSOLUTELY DEVASTATING. An astonishing AND cowardly crippling blow for all Zangief players.

LPGH going from -2 into an unfavorable mix-up to -3 a 100% Guaranteed punish with disadvantage.

This really puts an end to Zangief’s hopes and dreams to remain competitive.

Say goodbye to the GREATEST whiff punisher you will ever see.

No more meter-less combos into LPGH.
No more infinite option selects
No more reaction back dash punishes

At the current rate, I will use LPGH on hit occasionally once a month for its surprise factor.
And look forward to the next edition of the game: ULTRA STREET FIGHTER IV TURBO (2015)

194

well, and for the meanwhile there is also Hugo, who looks pretty decent now… :smiley:

195

That may well be so… But ultimately it’s not an excuse for imbalances in the game design.

I was born a Zangief handlier! … I’ll die a Zangief handlier!!!

**Not actually true, I started out as a Vega\Claw main, but still!!!

196

Gief is gonna be trash in Ultra imo. That -3 really is a crushing blow and don’t forget that most characters are getting better so our previously iffy and bad mu’s will potentially be getting way worse, can you even imagine lol. Personally I will always blame Combofiend cause he is completely clueless when it comes to this character. As soon as I heard he was hired I knew Gief would be dead and it seems to be happening.

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Dont worry comrades. Ive been told that those changes are only for the japanese arcade release and they will be back to lpgh -2 and c.lk +5 in the console release. :slight_smile: dont want to say anything before its final but that lpgh is gonna be game changer. im happy again.

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PM Source pls

199

If we had the changes from the last list(particularly the st mk buff) + the one you mention, gief could be pretty good.

The delay wakeup makes hes defense even stronger.