Yes. 1 knockdown against Akuma as Vega can make the match be over. Also, if spaced correctly, Akuma and press sweep against Vega all day long. Yeah, Vega does a lot of damage to Akuma but good luck playing the match perfectly each and every single time so you don’t get knocked down.
I’m willing to bet you haven’t played any real GOOD Akumas as Vega.
I play Akuma myself and Vega is my most played matchup because my friend exclusively uses him since Vanilla SF4. It’s only slightly in Akuma’s advantage at most and like many other mentioned matchups, it shouldn’t be in this thread.
I know that BJ Unchained and Harrison both think Cammy is one of Cody’s worst matchups. (BJ Unchained even describes Cammy as “A better Cody” )
I personally think it’s 7-3 but most Cammy’s disagree and think it’s 6-4.
Honda-Honda. Maybe not worst matchup but worst match for sure. To play or watch it’s just… the worst…
I’m pretty sure Dhalsim can beat Hakan without a lot of trouble. I don’t think it’s a terrible match up. Yoga Tower comes in handy, makes pretty much everything Hakan do on the ground whiff and punishable.
Abel vs Seth I don’t know what the match up is… Even though in Seths favor it can’t be that much since Abel can do similar things to Seth and has more life. Also if Abel lands a c.fp as an AA/counterhit you are really struggling to come back. 2 mixups could be stun for Seth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAdl-a8OX70
T.hawk vs Blanka is doable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsIbJLMerbg - just need to react to blankas braindead shit. Use your dp to mindfuck the Blanka perhaps. There are ways to win this match.
Gief vs T.Hawk is terrible for Gief. I always struggled Giefs and my mate who mains Gief one day said something like oh fucking thawk is such an asshole, so i tried it out and almost never lost to a gief since. I just kind of turtle and dp gief, just roundhouse to keep him out, dive on lariates…Also you can spd lariates on start up. the only thing you need to worry about is the neutral jump headbutt from gief because you’ll be near stun, but it’s really not a problem if you are watching for it. hes almost designed to rape gief.
Also Xian did a tutorial on Yun for Crosscounter showing how to fight Zangief with Yun, the match up isn’t too bad for Yun I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD0txiYa1Lg
above poster your trolling is not appreciated. cease and desist at once.
That’s a pretty good list except for Abel vs Zangief and Abel vs Seth.
Abel vs Gief is even or slightly in gief’s favour at worst.
Abel vs Seth is even or slightly in Abel’s favour.
Because the matchup is no longer ridiculous in 2012. It’s now 6-4 yun’s favor. Watch topanga, kazunoko occasionally drops matches to the japanese sims.
FChamp is actually pretty decent with Seth, he was trolling online in one of his vids but i’ve seen him play against high level japanese players using Seth and he was competitive. But I feel anyone can play Seth, I don’t think FChamp could pick Akuma and destroy people left and right.
Guile vs Seth, my worst matchup.
I have been using Bison more in USF4 recently and I like him but he has 0 priority. Even using EX Stomp or Crusher results in being tapped out of it if they are good. Just gotta let them bounce around you doing mixups. I feel he is pretty low tier so tons of bad MUs.
All of his EX moves except EX Devil’s reverse are invincible until 1F before it becomes active so depending on spacing they should usually trade more often than not, unless opponent is expecting it before hand and does like a NJ or jump back air normal really early. Otherwise I can kind of agree on his priority, though I find regular stomp has a solid HB for blowing up many normal move anti airs though loses to DPs obviously and is fairly slow. Dunno about his tier placement though, he certainly has some really bad MUs still. I feel he still has a lot of trouble pulling out a win and even with his improvements in USF4 he doesn’t usually make big comebacks even though his average damage was slightly improved. However he has had decent success with a number of placements in top 8 at majors and is one of the most used characters in USF4.
hawk vs blanka aint that bad anymore like it was in the previous patch
guile vs el fuerte is a horrible MU
Welcome back, thread.
This thread got necroed pretty badly, but sure, new game, new MUs.
Which means that Hugo vs Gouken has to be mentioned for the first time in the thread. It’s not AE2012 Hawk - Blanka-levels of unwinnable, but it’s pretty fucking terrible. Good luck being allowed to do anything as Hugo when MP fireball covers the entire fucking screen.
Juri-Honda is so bad I want to feel like I want to quit playing every time I get that match up
Doesn’t Honda struggle a lot vs anyone with a fast recovery fireball or ability to vary the flight speed a lot? Poison, Guile, Juri, Gouken, Sagat, ect?
He does. The matchup also changed quite a bit.
Juri used to be completely free to Honda on wakeup. This was because meaty cl.hp completely shut her down and gave Honda huge reward for no risk. Oicho, front dash, cl.HP is a super easy setup for example that would beat ex pinwheel or trade with it. If a trade occurs, you could combo off of it easily while doing high dmg and high stun.
She was also completely helpless to random headbutts and had no real way to punish anything besides reversal MK super for ‘meh’ damage when stand blocking or doing lk pinwheel for 1 hit while being in a disadvantage. Now however, once Juri has meter (which she can build rather fast by playing keepaway), she can convert the pinwheel punishes to exrfa combos and score a knockdown while doing solid dmg.
Vs reversal EX Headbutts (what used to be a free get-out-of-jail card) She can turn the match completely around with her very dmging punishes. (check video in spoilers for ex hb punishes, you’ll be surprised)
I wouldn’t exactly say it’s 7-3 or worse anymore.
I think there is like 4 chars with fireballs Honda doesn’t struggle noticeably and those are still probably disadvantaged for him. Sakura, Cody, Deejay, and Dan. Dan might be in Honda’s favor actually but the other ones are even or still probably DA for honda. Perfect Badstone with Cody can be tough for Honda unless you’re willing to react with EX HB whenever Cody goes down for Rocks at all. Sakura can now vary her EX FB speed and got 4F faster recovery, not a HUGE part of the MU but I’m sure makes it harder. He just doesn’t like fireballs by design.
Elena vs Dan is really bad. She out ranges him and low profiles a lot of his stuff, though idk how much Elena’s 1.04 hitboxes changed that fight.