You clearly have failed to understand what EVERYBODY here tried to explain to you. I tried to be contructive, I tried to be as nice to you as possible, I tried to have a discussion rather than a flame war, hell I even apologized, but nothing seems to have worked with you.
I don’t know what’s your problem, whether it’s frustration, depression or insecurity or whatever, I don’t care and I don’t want to know. But it’s YOUR problem, not mine (or ours), so don’t bring your personal issues and your need to blame others for the failure that is your life here on the forums.
Bison has a lot of useless moves even the higher lvl players don’t use. They should just work on those to make him more effective, cr.HP, DR, HS & SD could be tweaked to make them more effective then i’d be fine
If you capitalize “EVERYBODY” is that supposed to obscure that only one other self-righteous blowhard is involved? The other dude gave his opinion on the character and you come back with: “If you’re a good player, then none of this should be a concern to you at all.” And to you this comes off as being non-asshole commentary? Not only do you sound like a prick, but you want to pretend like you’re some sort of authority. It’s ridiculous. I don’t care about your apologies, you and snake are the kinds of people who makes boards like this a drag. No one likes an unproven armchair quarterback.
The only problem I have is you and your “Clearly, if you had any skill at all, then…” type posts. Just shut up. Or if you feel so compelled to dispense your gems of wisdom from on high, at least do it in a way that doesn’t scream “prick.” But beyond that, there’s no evidence whatsoever that you’re not just a terrible player with a big mouth.
Damn… we’re back here once again… same discussion year after year.
Supposedly the rumored systematic change to the game is allowing both ultras to be used at the same time while reducing the damage to compensate to an extent…
No fluff, I still stand by these changes for Bison:
QCF,QCF for Ultra 2
J.mp,j.MP PRIORITY… onegai Kappukom-san!!!
Unified standing roundhouse damage. One value. No tip of the foot, no base of the thigh damage differences. Tired of everyone trading in their favor against our anti air.
Crouch fierce speed buff would be okay but if I had to pick one I still think I like j.MP priority more for better follow up options
Bison needs more damage. He can’t comeback worth squat. Five years straight, same issues. Don’t even try to argue this anymore, friends. It’s just really apparent by now. How do we give him more damage? Increase some of his normal attack damage values basically… revert them to some of the previous values in vanilla/Super. That’s all I want. Nothing really out of the ordinary.
Speed up far s.MP. I REALLY like a lot of Bison’s changes in SFxT. If they’re gonna copy pasta characters over, give them some of their buffs too. Because as it stands SFxT Bison > SF4 Bison.
Far s.MP/far s.HP cancelable. Again, SFxT feature. Bring it over please.
I’m sorry if I sounded like a prick. I apologize with everyone who felt offended by my posts, but believe me, it wasn’t my intention at all.
By saying “if you were a top player”, I didn’t mean “you suck and you have no right to say anything about Bison”, or “shut up, I’m better than you, I decide what’s better for Bison”. I never said I’m a great player, so I have no right to say something like that to people. If that’s how I sounded like, again, sorry.
However I was just pointing out that if we want to discuss the changes that Bison needs to be competitive, we have to consider only the highest levels of play, where skill, execution and reactions are top notch. That guy said that he had problems punishing dps: with all due respect, how is that related to Bison in any way? I can agree that Bison doesn’t do much damage off of punishes, but that wasn’t the point of his complaint. He complained that he couldn’t punish in time, and he always gets hit by another dp.
I wasn’t saying that he sucks because he has this problem (I sometimes have that problem too!), however we can all agree that such complaint is irrelevant to this discussion, as it’s not related to the character, but to the player.
TL;DR: My intention was not to judge others for their lack of skill. I just wanted to eliminate irrelevant complaints.
With that said, I don’t think I sounded like a prick more than you did in your later posts. I didn’t say “fuck you”, “shut up”, or post unconstructive shit like you did. If you don’t want people to sound like pricks, then stop acting like one in the first place. I at least apologized politely, admitted my mistake and tried to be nice to everyone.
I took your comment as an example but there were others like that. Again, my intention wasn’t to say you’re a terrible player or claiming I’m better than you, I hope I made that clear. It’s just that it’s way too easy to take something you struggle with as a player and blame it on the character, which is not the purpose of the topic.
I have a question about bison. Why is it that his scissors damage is so low? I feel like all of them should do a bit more damage because of damage scaling and for his u2. I would it be better if it was a motion but with damage similar to chun-li’s Ultra 2?
Well, one thing Bison has over Fei is walkspeed. Bison has the best walkspeed in the game along Akuma and Vega, while Fei’s walkspeed is mediocre.
But I agree that overall Fei is better than Bison and I would like Bison to have his dmg output buffed.
One other thing: what if Psycho Crusher has less recovery ? Let’s say, cut the recovery by 2-3 frames, so PCs are less punishable. Would this make PC a better option for Bison ?
Well, that’s actually true. That and the throw range.
The problem is, his throw is still not as big a threat because Fei (I’m using him as an example but really this could be applied to many other characters) has many other options to mix up the opponent. He has an overhead and a very powerful command grab, while against Bison the opponent only has to worry about his throw, which doesn’t quite create the mindgames that Fei does.
About the PC, reducing his recovery might be very beneficial to his oki game and create new meaty setups. Capcom always said they wanted to make PC a viable move in each update, and while they did improve it by giving it some gimmicky properties, it still wasn’t enough imo. Maybe it would also help Bison to get in against some characters.
LK scissors has a lot going for it, so 90 or 100 damage on it is actually okay IMO. I don’t know why MK scissors and HK scissors damage is so low, though.
The main problem with U2 isn’t the charge motion, although that is part of it. It’s just that the startup is so slow, on top of needing to input the motion, that you need to be borderline psychic. It’s to the point where high level players don’t even bother looking for it anymore against Ryu/Akuma, and use U1 instead.
If MP/HP PC had less recovery, that would create some nice meaty setups. The problem is, Bison would still need reliable untechable knockdowns to set them up anyway.
All right man, let’s squash it. Clearly I was a dick, and being overly sensitive. My original complaint-laden post was a rage post and came after a number of losses to a highly ranked Ryu, so I was in a state of mind similar to some punk who loses and sends hate mail, so tensions were running high over this Bison (SOB). And I was probably in the least receptive state of mind possible. I think everyone will agree there’s been enough unnecessary bad blood here.
Wouldn’t it work after landing a scissor kick? Bison is pretty much forced to lose the charge if he wants to keep up the pressure after hitting with SK, since he has to dash forward. Now he would just PC his way through, using the light version to bait an uppercut and medium to set up the meaty. Having more advantage on block would be actually pretty scary, maybe a little too much!
The problem with doing a PC after a scissor kick knockdown is that you’re asking to eat a reversal. It’s nice to use from time to time, but it’s not a reliable setup because the opponent can slightly delay his tech stand.
While he could set it up off a throw, it’s not a very rewarding mixup. Maybe if the tail end of PC hit for full damage and stun, but even that is still meh.
