What are your thoughts on MUGEN?

[Jappo]

Needs more Omega Tom Hanks, imo.

[Hatred_Edge]

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Instant death homing Shun Goku Satsu.
Why have you not done this Capcom? WHY?

[YungKratos]

mugen needs to ability to wrap up your creation into a neat executable, free of the mugen name, for 2 reasons…

1. nobody will ever take a mugen game seriously
2. it would feel like a more legitimate game if it were legitimately wrapped up, and not just the basic mugen executable, with a bunch of character files and stage files.

Actually its possible with a program called mole box.

Back on topic i had this very thought this morning while i was logged into I.M.T. (Infinitymugenteam.com for those who dont know) What if there were srkers who made a mugen game, a legitimate mugen game. Would it be good for either community or would it be utter chaos? Well i personally believe 3-4 years ago no. Today i believe it is very possible and heres why. Both communities are at a place were they very well could interact with civility. A couple years ago it really was random sprites and code copied and pasted all over. Now more and more you see people with the directive to create, not just random character x with custom spaz out hyper y (although there is alot of that still) but actual games. I believe with SRK as Q&A of sorts Helping out with the fine tuning. Providing the feedback some of these creators need. we might get an actual respectable and dare i say, competetive game using the Mugen Engine.

[Geese_Pants]

And a midget Akuma to assist…epic.

[Projectjustice]

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Instant death homing Shun Goku Satsu.
Why have you not done this Capcom? WHY?

Shit like that is why Mugen doesnt get much love.

D3V makes a valid point. You know how many 09 scrubs were in the Gouken forums asking Capcom to give him a SRK cause they felt his wakeup game was weak and he was a shoto master of Ryu.:lol:

IMO, that Super Street Fighter 3 Alexlexus is working on looks good.

[Sensei_Rouzu]

I have to try this out someday. I mean come on look at this. [media=youtube]jeox-aXt3RQ&playnext_from=TL&videos=q9wrgc8nr0Q[/media]

Popeye the Sailorman.

[Apartheid]

In Japan, the folks who use MUGEN attempt to make the characters as close to their best incarnations as humanly possible in order to have tangible crossover matches.

Here in the States, however, we have people who make God Ultimate Ryu and Raging Violent Iori. Also, a very homely Iori clone in the form of Homer Simpson!

[pherai]

wow that rare akuma is a mess. pretty terrible when the least gay thing about your character is skulls for fireballs

[JED07]

mugen needs to ability to wrap up your creation into a neat executable, free of the mugen name, for 2 reasons…

1. nobody will ever take a mugen game seriously
2. it would feel like a more legitimate game if it were legitimately wrapped up, and not just the basic mugen executable, with a bunch of character files and stage files.

This essentially.

[Tech_Romancer]

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Fuck is that nonsense.

[Kalyx_triaD]

Angel Ryu vs Angel Ken. Watch AI’s fight. Yay.

[Louiscipher]

Mugen is fun to mess around with. But the lack of human competition relegates it to nothing but dream matches and XX VS Cheapest Mugen Character matches on youtube.

[Master_Amado]

I don’t know why I’m posting in this thread, but whatever.

Saying MUGEN is unbalanced is like saying C++ is unbalanced. I hope you realize that.

The biggest problem with the MUGEN scene is that nobody wants to make a game. Yes, that includes the people who are supposedly making games. None of these people want to actually make a game. At best, most of them want to make a character and throw all their ideas into it. Maybe they’ll spread those ideas among several characters, but the point remains the same: building a complete game isn’t something they’re interested in enough to actually do it. This begets “games” which are actually just collections of unrelated characters which haven’t been balanced or otherwise designed to fit within the same environment. Some people love collecting these random characters, especially the most over the top (and almost universally terribly designed) characters. Others strive to simply create the most absurd, unfair AI for people to try to beat. There are more examples as well.

All of the above is fine, but none of it is actually making a game.

Look at Fighter Maker 2nd. There are dozens of games of wildly variant quality built on the engine – Vanguard Princess, Dong Dong Never Die, Wonderful World, (Supier)/Strip Fighter IV, Super Cosplay War Ultra, and more. There are people who only convert characters from existing games as well, but it’s not nearly as epidemically common as it is with MUGEN. There are complete and tangible results of well polished games being released fairly often on the FM2nd engine, which is very much not the case with MUGEN. The result is that the MUGEN engine itself, and its capabilities, are sold short. People call the engine garbage because creator #7209 doesn’t understand alignment or hit velocities, or creator #5877 thought it would be cool to take an existing creation and add things to it without actually understanding what he was doing.

I suppose it’s partly the fault of the engine’s design for having modular components that are easy to swap around, as well as most of the documentation being character-driven. Nevertheless, MUGEN itself is a great platform on which to build a game, if a person were so inclined. It’s pretty easy to learn, is designed in a logical way, is very open-ended while also being structured enough to be easy to follow, and now with recent releases is graphically representative of the current century. I htink it’s avery good engine. Having not used it seriously in years, I don’t have the programming experience with new versions to break down what its weaknesses are. I just know that its capabilities are abundant.

Thank god someone said this. I dont know why it is so hard for people in the fighting game community to understand the difference between a video game and a game creation tool. If you decided to download and fill Mugen with different character from different creators of course its going to be a unbalanced piece of crap. Like any tool its only as good as the people who use it. That being said it is not perfect but more than capable of creating a decent 2d fighter.

In fact I noticed alot of posts recently where someone talks about some magical fighting game engine they are going to make and as soon as someone mentions Mugen they scoff at the very mention of it. The truth is if you cant even make and code a character in Mugen there is no way in hell you are going to be able to make a whole fighting game engine and a complete fighting game to go with it.

[shurf]

I really don’t care for it and will never take it seriously. Sure some of the concepts and sprites are cool but it doesn’t have a scene, and isn’t nearly as fun as official fighters. Alexlexus showed me some of his sprite work at a tourney one time. Awesome to look at, but its just a hobby to most I think.

And that Akuma video from a few posts up looked like complete shit. This is why Mugen looks pretty bad to most people.

[RaishinX]

What are your other guilty pleasures, Hadouken fox?

lmao.

IMO, that Super Street Fighter 3 Alexlexus is working on looks good.

Link?

And Pherai when did you start being God-Tier?

[Projectjustice]

lmao.

Link?

And Pherai when did you start being God-Tier?

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[Hatred_Edge]

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Why does Gouken have Gouki’s moves and intro pose? WTF is that?

That aside doesn’t look too bad.

[Projectjustice]

Why does Gouken have Gouki’s moves and intro pose? WTF is that?

That aside doesn’t look too bad.

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Check it out here too, people actually playing it. Starts at 2:00.

[Alexlexus]

rare akuma should not be looked at when it comes to games with mugen. he gives mugen a bad rep. with mugen you have so much control people will go and do shit like this. also as for molbox pro.

as for my dante this is the 3rd version of him and still a beta. me and bugya are doing it in differetn styles and i was the very first to evet attempt dante for mugen. so i already marked my place in mugen history and i know some might not like it. but its not easy to make him 100% perfect during beta stages so with that said i wish the other creator luck on his dante and i will keep pushing to develop mine.

3rd strike turbo is a very solid game and cvs 2 w 2.8 is even more solid than my game.

here is another solid mugen fight

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[c001357]

The reason why mugen look shitty when it comes to gameplay is it’s render system. Mugen gameplay is too fucking choppy. Even if mugen had a good fullgame, it will still look like shit without a updated rendersystem like shugendo.

they are actually working on it right now

It also needs new features. There isn’t even a decent tag mode, start menu, or anything would make it past for a full game.

yeah.

I remember when elecbyte returned with not to long ago, and the mugen community wanted backwards capability, which was a stupid move. Elecbyte fuckedup by listening to those scrubs, which is way mugen is still shit as of now and the development is slow. Instead of elecbyte making something new and fresh, they decided to make the mugen scrubs happy so that there shitty characters would still be playable EX: omega evil shin ssj574 tom hanks.

1.0 already had backwards compatibility. this is a non-issue

The only way mugen can be taken seriously is if a pro stepped in a did his own thing. I mean someone that place high at tournaments or knows the in and outs of whatever game he plays.

how? at best its just going to be some mystery tournament thing