I recommend not using steriods at all…unless you want to walk around anxious and angry all the time while giving your heart a drug induced apotosis…
Not to mention …um…:tdown: down there…
…ahem…shrinking.:wonder:…err…cough:shake:
Oh, I actually made a BIG typo…I meant protein (whey or any other for that matter, powder or some other form)…not steroids.
I’m with Steel Dragon, I’m starting to do some serious weightlifting, but I really don’t know what stuff to do. So far I’m mostly doing some benchpresses, and lot’s of cardio. I’m 5’10, 221 lbs. I know I’m overweight, so I would love to lose some pounds and tone up a bit.
Hey magnus tell me how gains kept. As detailed as you like and include your pct if you don’t mind. To opticallyinviz what is your height/weight and are those lifts with or without lifting gear? Your bench is way out of proportion to your squat/dead is why I ask.
Man anybody take Muscle Milk protein? That stuff tastes soooo good and doesn’t tear your stomach up. But I was wondering, is it an effective protein supplement for bulking up? Is there anything better that won’t tear your stomach up?
has anybody tried using “fat burners”?
i looked into hydroxycut, which uses an ECA (ephedrine - caffiene - aspirin) stack, which looks to be pretty effective.
i’m still bulking up now, but come spring time, i’m looking to start cutting.
would hydroxycut be an effective aid in stripping off the bodyfat?
any testimonials / reviews?
I hear muscle milk is good for bulking. I’m currently taking ISOpure zerocarb whey protein, cuz I’m in the process of cutting now. So I guess it depends on what you want. but yeah i’ve heard good things about muscle milk.
Guy above me: I would not recommend fat burners, apparently they speed up your heart or some shit. Basically what it boils down to, is to stop being lazy. If you want to lose weight, start exercising and eating better.
im 205
i powerlift
and no i don’t train with any gear, and i hate bench press shirts.
If you are going to try any, the only two I suggest is xenadrine efx, not nrg. And Lipo-6. I dont suggest any products from Muscletech. Some might work but they are overpiced and Lipo-6 is the best one out there right now. But yeah, if you are going to work out, just work out normally and instead of fat burners take other supplements like creatine, protein.
OK interesting whenever I see big numbers on lifts other than deadlift you have to ask about gear because its getting ridiculous with 2-ply shirts and whatnot. Good numbers though congrats.
Secondly biggzy is completely clueless, fat burners are a necessary evil of weight loss below a certain point. If you are going to use one you want to have an ECA stack base, or just EC. Make sure you start at 1/3 or half daily doses and ramp up a bit to determine your personal reaction to the stimulants. And of course they ramp up your heart a bit, the way these things work is by raising basal metabolic levels. They are absolutely safe IF USED CORRECTLY, and probably less dangerous than most of the prescription non anti-biotic drugs you have taken in your life. They are NOT, however, a magic pill. Diet and cardio is still factor number one in weight loss.
I used to work out seriously, then somehow messed up my wrists. I stopped going to the gym for about 3 months, then went again, immediately started hurting again. My family doctor is a joke, “put ice on it”. I’m gonna have to get x-rays or something done. Anyway, my question is, if i get them fixed up and start working out again does it take a long time to regain my previous strength? Is it like starting from scratch again, or are my muscles in some kind of retention? If it’s a stupid question, sorry.
i’ve been lifting as a supplement to training boxing/muay thai/brazilian jiu jitsu, and i’ve been taking protein supplements and trying my best to eat as much as possible. i’m not really gaining weight though (6’3" 170lbs), and i’m considering trying to move up at least 10-20lbs because no one my height ever fights that light. thing is, i want it to be lean weight that, if possible, i can maintain with decent cardio. can anyone recommend a workout/nutrition regimen that can build me mass without compromising my cardio too badly?
Don’t listen to this fuckin moron. He’s one of those guys who probably buys gear from GNC, hahahahaha. Stay away from fat burners.
Bigzy anyone in this thread who knows anything knows I’ve forgotten more about nutrition, bodybuilding and physiology than you know. Unless your ready to talk metabolic pathways then don’t argue about fat burners. Its really annoying trying to help people when you are giving alternative advice out of your ass without the slightest clue as to what your talking about except for some hearsay bullshit you probably learned from your high school coach, if you were even athlete enough to make it past JV with all the rest of the wanna-be lifters.
You’re right. Go ahead and take fat burners everyone, they’re safe.
Ok then please detail to me why they are not. Do you even know what is in the majority of these products? The catagories of them? Which work and which don’t? Making an assinine statement like “fat burners aren’t safe” is like saying “pain killers aren’t safe”. There are a broad range of products involved. Please enlighten us with something other than two sentence answers, and don’t put in pseudoscience bullshit you read in the paper. Everyone is waiting, so put up or shut up.
Most fat burners aren’t any worse for you than being fat is.
Well since fat burners speed up your heart rate unnaturally, that in its self is not healthy. People with heart palpitations, can have it lead to arrythmia or paroxysmal supraventricular tachycardia amongst other heart conditions. But what do I know, its not like I went to Med school or anything 
Now take a fucking walk you stupid hillbilly.
Wow you google something and put it in here and now your a scientist. But y ou missed the point where the definition of paroxysmal (occasional) tachycardia (fast heartbeat) is one of the basic defining byproducts of SOME fat burners. So taking something that elevates heartrate can give you occasional elevated heartrate…REALLY?? Furthermore the condition doesn’t even warrant concern unless there are underlying heart conditions like septal or valve defects, etc.
Your arguement against people with predisposing risk factors taking them is also ridiculous. As with any supplement there are groups of people who should not take them, and stating health risks to these people is like saying someone who just had triple bypass surgery shouldn’t run the 400 meters for fun.
Any arguement about the relative risk associated with taking any substance should begin with the assumption that the people who will be taking it will be in a proper state of health to do so, and will take it as is directed. And again, and since you are utterly inable to provide contrary evidence, FAT BURNERS TAKEN AS DIRECTED BY PEOPLE WITHOUT PREDISPOSED CONDITIONS ARE SAFE. Refute that please.
REFUTE THE FACT THAT FAT BURNERS SPEED UP YOUR HEART RATE. REFUTE THE FACT THAT SPEEDING UP YOUR HEART RATE AT REST/WITHOUT DOING SOME TYPE OF AEROBIC ACTIVITY IS UNNATURAL AND UNHEALTHY.
Theres no point in arguing with you cuz you’re obviously an idiot. So everyone take fat burners, they’re safe just like cocaine. You can’t even fucking spell and you’re giving me a lesson in dietetics and nutrition. Get the fuck outta here. You wanna lose weight? Stop being lazy.