-- Weightlifting & Nutrition Thread -- v9.0 Optimized

eating before jogging( morning) and not showering just going as soon as i wake up.

good or bad?

thank you.

oh ok coo, thanks!

That’s actually the hardest part…even if u know somebody really well…they can give u sum bunk shit and it not even be on their part.

And even if u find somebody…don’t let em know u haven’t bought before. Try and sound all pro…cuz if not…they will rip u a new one on price. I paid some ridiculous amount for my first bottle…we all did.

Can some1 roughly outline how an HIIT session should go for beginners? I’m not sure how long I’m supposed to be sprinting/walking for…

Would probably be advisable to go get a liver panel and a general check up done before and after 12 week AAS cycle. Just in case. Nothing is written in stone, despite the scientific evidence pointing towards the safe side.

HIIT on a treadmill is kinda crappy since treadmills take a bit of time to speed up and down. Bike’s are much better, you have superior control of your intensity level. All of the old Tabata stuff was done on a bike.

Has anyone heard of Jeff Anderson and his e-book: Optimum Anabolics? Very interesting stuff. Seems really counterintuitive when you first read about protein cycling. Total opposite of what we’re all lead to believe in all our training years. Looking more in-depth, it seems like it might have some merit to it. I think I’m going to give it a try.

His other e-book: Homemade Supplement Secrets is pretty kick ass. Fucking spot on. I have no clue why I have bought shit from GNC all these years for ridiculous amounts of money when I can put together my own supplements for a fraction of the cost and no filler.

Supplement companies can go to hell.

what does he say about protein cycling?

Now normally, I’m not into shit like ā€œADD 3 INCHES TO YOUR ARMS IN A WEEK!!!ā€ but when you sit and think about what he’s saying, it makes some sense.

Basically, it’s like when your body goes into starvation mode if you diet wrong. You stop eating food believing your going to lose weight (and you may lose a few lbs of water weight) when in reality, your body goes into crisis lockdown mode and starts holding on to the fat and burning the muscle for energy. Not what you want. People do the same with carbs too.

Same can be applied to protein according to him. You go through a 3 week cycle of normal protein intake while you’re lifting, then you cut protein to about 30 grams a day for 3 weeks. What this supposedly does is two things if I recall correctly:

  1. It supposedly makes your body produce more IGH-1 and testosterone to compensate for the lack of protein your body’s getting while you tear down the muscle.

  2. There’s a third cycle. It’s called the hyper-adaptive cycle where after you starve your body of protein, you go back to the 1-1.5 grams/lbs a day plus an additional 30 grams for 3 weeks. What this does is two things. First, your body is shocked into sucking up and holding onto every last bit of protein that you give it since it was starved for the last 3 weeks. Second, it stops your body from adapting and relying on a constant 1-1.5 grams of protein everyday like it’s used to. I think we all know that the body eventually adapts to whatever it’s getting so it keeps the body in a perpetual guessing game state where it doesn’t know if it’s going to get the protein it needs or not.

You’d have to read the book as I’m only half-way through and by no means have the system memorized but both books are pretty good read. The supplement book is even better in my opinion.

Thank god I’m no longer into bodybuilding. The constant day-to-day struggle and worries about stuffing myself with enough protein, when to take it, how much to take, how often to take, what to take it with, and generally, just all this mumbo-jumbo pseudo-science crap.

what do you do?

Mostly Olympic lifts.

man i said fuck all that shit a while ago, no one really is into BODYBUILDING like who in here really competes in bodybuilding hahah like lets be real…i stoped doing that shit a while ago all that supplement shit is just to see results faster period…

these people worried about WHEN to take, after what, with what, % with compared to what, all this bullshit, like dawg for real sometimes it dont even matter, you can be scientific and proper as fuck and ya this could be the best time and it COULD matter but in the end its going to make a like 1.9234% difference…and when you factor in genetics then what a .92343% difference…anyway…

im outi

Roberth

so i’ve had this kind of tingling sensation in my upper right back muscle (trapezius?)

when i saw a doctor, all he said was that if i lay off it it should heal itself

wtf. but i’ve had this tingling sensation in it for a year now. it doesn’t hurt or anything, it just feels weird. the doctor wasn’t much help so i’m thinking of seeing a sports doctor or something.

so should i just stop working out for a few months? i’m not exactly super strong now, but i’d hate to lose all my gains cause of these injuries which may or may not be super bad. i just don’t know if this tingling sensation is serious. ive noticed the tingling sensation grows worse when i do stuff like bicep curls.

i also had a pain in my lower back for a while, but i lay off doing pull ups and made sure not to arch my back as much when i do bench press and i think its helped.

Probably has something to do with the nerve, and you’re probably aggravating it in one way or another with certain lifts. I can see how curls could worsen it, seeing as the traps/upper back muscles are used to stabilize the weight. Are you cheat curling? Like, using heavy weights and swinging it? Try to lower the weight and use strict form. You should use strict form when curling always, anyway. Another thing that could be aggravating your traps/upperback is benching. Try to avoid heavy benching for a while and see if it gets better. Another (stupid) exercise I see that can cause that is behind the back lat pull-down/behind the back pull ups. Avoid those too.

yeah i used to use my back to gain momentum. now that i have a slightly better idea of what i’m doing i’m paying attention to form. i do notice the tingling sensation tends to get triggered when i use heavier weights.

so nerve damage isn’t so serious right? what’s the worst that could happen if i let it go untreated?

also for my lower back, i think it may be the disc thats damaged. cause i notice even when i run, when im done my back feels in pain. and when i drive over a speed bump the pain is noticeable (i used to be able to just speed past the bumps, but now i drive over them slowly)

i’m kinda disappointed in the visit to the doctor. granted it was just a physical, but i was hoping he’d give me more than just ā€œit will healā€.

i dunno i’ve been thinking about just doing really light lifts for a month to see if it gets better, but then i’d be set back a whole bunch.

edit: btw since i dont post much in this thread i’ll just give you guys some background on where i’m coming from and what my goals are. i was pretty skinny going into college: i weighed like roughly 140 (i’m 5 10). i actually lifted weights all throughout college, but it was a complete waste of time since i ate like shit and pulled plenty of all nighters as a cs major. i’m pretty ectomorphic so my lifestyle just made things worse. i made little to no gains in weight (except fat in my gut) or strength. toward the end i did end up gaining a lot of weight, but thats because i was eating tons of fast food. but my physique did start becoming more muscular so that was good. upon graduating i probably weighed 160ish.

after graduating i joined a 24 hour fitness gym. i think on graduating i could only bench (with good form) 3 sets of 8 reps of 115 lbs. that was a little over 2 years ago. right now im doing 3 sets of 10 reps of 160 lbs. nothing stellar. but the thing is, my physique has definitely changed for the better. i weigh like 177 now. i may not be very strong, but people i havent seen in years actually comment (and act shocked) on the fact that i’ve gotten way buffer. so that feels great. but now i think i’ve injured myself in both the upper back and lower back, and i’m freaked out that i’ll have to rest a bunch so it can heal, and then start all over again. pretty demoralizing.

basically, i’m happy with weighing around 175ish. i still have a pretty big gut, so i’d like to reduce that, but still weigh 175. i dont want to get that strong as i’m not into bodybuilding or powerlifting or anything like that. i just want to mantain my current physique, with a little bit more muscle, and i’ll be set.

Late on the subject…

I’ve done HIT on a treadmill…it sux…and it’s dangerous. Go outside and do HIT or use an eliptical or KNOW that you can do what ur trying to do on a treadmill without fatiguing too much. I’ve done HIT on treadmills with clients before, u just can’t push the envelope.

Not to be a bitch, but it’s HIIT. HIT is Arthur Jones bodybuilder crap.

EDIT:
I’m sure you know, but it’s for all the other people reading this thread, since this shit is confusing enough as it is.

It’s not confusing to people that aren’t fucking retarded. If you were in the business it gets referred to as either interval training or hit cardio. Some of us don’t get all our info on the net.

Calm down, wasn’t meant to flame you or anything. I’m just pointing out that most of the people in this thread actually are getting most of their info on the net. Maybe you should consider your audience before you start telling them they’re ā€œfucking retarded.ā€

No, I’m not in the business, but I know well enough that it’s referred to as interval training. I have yet to see someone actually textually refer to it as HIT (which would stand for what precisely?) properly. Regardless, I’ve logged enough under the bar time to know that there’s a difference between High Intensity Interval Training and High Intensity Training.

its just the juice talking, don’t hold it against him