Nah, at least not for me. I think I’ve pretty much fucked up my kidney somehow back when I was a clueless ass, taking about 60 grams of protein + about 500ml of milk every morning for breakfast and then holding in the diarrhea for hours at a time at school. Long story short, ever since then, any trace of whey protein powder and I’m FUCKED.
haha k, cuz I think its weird whats happening to me…
I am definately making strength gains and what seems to me as muscle size… but not in weight…
I think you are lumping complex carbs and simple sugars together when saying all carbs are toxic. If you know what those are, and you know that you arent lumping them together, you mind giving me some sources for the information you are mentioning? That would be appreciated… I can give you some to support mine if you dont mind reading up a bit…
I am aware that a high protein/low carb diet is used for losing weight though, if thats what you are aiming for…
as far as i’m concerned complex vs simple carbs is irrelevant.
I look at some wholewheat bread, it has 20grams of carbs of which 1gram is fiber…
thats 19grams of sugar in your system - this is bad.
What is relevant is fiberous vs non-fiberous carbs.
heres a long article about insulin and its metabolic effects
That was an interesting read, and I will definately look more into it.
I should mention however, that fiberous carbs are a class of complex carbs in and of themselves and many if not most vegetables fall in that category. You even see it in this article that, although he doesnt give it the push I believe it deserves for reasons I mentioned earlier, he did say they were good for you, and should be taken to counter-balance acidity and for the nutrients they contain. I also find it, reassuring that he just didnt straight out through fruits out the window, and mentioned its antioxidative capabilities (something I believe he didnt account for enough, as free radicals are believed to be one of the main reasons for aging and eventual death) and that people should balance its benefits and its risks. I still think fruits abundant in antioxidants are worthy of incorporting in your diet in moderation.
My diet currently consists of 30% fat. Commiting 50-60% of my diet to fat (albeit the good ones) , is something I am not willing to do for now without further looking into it. I read around a bit and waters seem to be very rife with controversy regarding this matter. I’ll let you know with what I come up with regards to this matter if you are interested.
cool keep me updated,
just post in this thread, i check it now and then
not completely unrelated… but what do you guys think of this:
http://www.ezhealthydiet.com/high-protein-foods.html
high protein diets don’t work…
protein should always be pretty minimum, unless you are bodybuilding in which case it should still be moderate…
you want the majority of your calories to come from fats, or carbs
protein is a building block, and not a good source of energy
article talks a bit about milk, ya, milk is shit, as are most dairy products these days…
plant protein vs animal protein…ehh, animal protein comes with a way better amino acid profile than plant…and also comes with fat and a whole bunch of other shit…its good to mix them up, but i would prefer animal over plant protein
Indeed, uses more energy to digest.
About that article, I just eat whatever so I could care less about animal vs. plant portein. I enjoy whole milk if I want protein.
there is no worse feeling than having an upset stomach while trying to do squats. it doesnt hit you at first but around the 3rd rep you go down and you get that “uh oh” feeling and things tend to move in slow motion from there on.
yea its pretty embarassing which is why i’m usually the only person in the gym when i go.
ok, so I’ve decided to seriously start going to the gym. I’m 5’11’’ and only 133-136 lbs. So, my goal is not weight loss, but building muscle mass and strength (specifically in my arms, shoulders, abs, and maybe my back).
However, my bro tells me that I won’t see any results unless I eat 6 times a day on some diet. I’m really not interested in being a food-Nazi to myself, or overhauling my life style.
If I go to the gym 3-4 hours a week, and eat and sleep as I please, will I see results?
And how about protein bars? I’ll eat them if it’ll help…
I think you’ll definately see results…
Getting results early in your strength training/body building experience is the easiest part, any decent program will get you results… Of course, you would see faster/better results if your diet and sleep were in check, but you can still gain a nice 15-20lbs in my opinion…
but at least make sure you eat almost immediately after you work out…
I’m in the same scenario, though prolly 10 lb’s heavier. I’m totally lost about all this stuff i hear about pre workout and post workout eating / protein shakes/ supplements and what not. Should i just munch on protein bars after a workout or something?
Heh, i’m so glad to be out of that boat… I used to be 6’0, and 135 lbs. Yeah.
I did the 6 meals a day diet, went to the gym everyday, drank protein shakes, got up to 170 at my peak I think, mostly muscle. Then I got lazy and it turned to fat. 
Now i’m trying to get rid of the fat and i’m like 166 lol.
My advice: Eateateateateataeteataetaetaet, and then eat some more. But stuff yourself on healthy food. Rice, chicken, veggies etc. DO NOT stuff yourself on McD’s and other junk food. Drink a protein shake AFTER your workout.
When you goto the gym, make sure take it easy at first, but make sure you have a steady routine. Count your reps, count your sets, count your weights. Low rep, high weight. Pumping 20 lbs for 20 minutes is not going to do anything. Pushing high weight a few times = ultra mass gain when you’re really skinny.
Jogging in the cold really sucks…
Anyway has anyone posted before and after pics in this thread? I don’t wanna see guys with their shirts off, but results would be cool. As for me…gimme some more time 
Aw man. So if I ever quit, I’ll go back to being fat? I used to weigh 180. Then it all just went away for some reason. It makes sense though. Arnold Schwarzenegger is fat now, but I still wouldn’t mess with him… it can’t be that bad.
Also, I thought working out was lifting what you are able 8-12 times, 30sec. rest, repeat two more times.
Since I can only do about 5 push ups, would I bulk faster doing those as opposed to 3 sets of 10 reps on the push up machine?
What percentage of your bodyweight do you actually lift when you do pushups?
I’m guessing it’s around 35-40% (least that’s what it feels like to me)
Also is it unusual to continue to gain strength but not mass?
Thats sorta whats happening to me too…
I read its not unusual if you are beginner-ish…
The gain in strength that you are making would be more neurological based rather than based on an increase on muscle mass… as you are getting more experience you are gaining muscle memory and improving technique. Also there is an increase in neuron connections to the muscle, so you are able to activate a greater percentage of your muscle.
A friend of mine bought a new set of dumbells. He is a beginner.
He is around 5’9, 130 and wants to gain some mass. His goal, if it is achievable, is to gain around 20Lbs in around 2 months.
For sure, he needs to eat a lot and frequently, and I already told him that. Get good sleep too. He even went to buy some QuickMass.
But do you guys know of any full body program that involves only dumbells? How much rest he should have etc…
His dumbells can go to a max of 45lbs if used together, and to a max of about 75lb if using just one. Any help would be appreciated.
20lbs of muscle in 2 months imo is not doable…but whatever…you can do A LOT with dumbells…
chest
bench press…
incline press
decline press
bench flies
sholders…
front raises
lat raises
sholder press
reverse flies
back
reverse flies
one arm dumbell row
dumbell rows (both arms)
deadlifts
romanian deadlifts
one leg romanian deadlifts
shrugs
legs…
calf raises
squats (with dumbells on sholders)
lunges
romanian deadlifts
one leg romanian deadlifts
deadlifts
arms
bicept curls
hammer curles
incline curls
tricept kickbacks
overhead tricept extension (one arm or two arm)
laying tricept extentions (like skullcrushers but with dumbells)
Here is an easy program one day full body dumbells only…
Bench press
one arm dumbell rows
sholder press
reverse flies
squats
lunges
deadlift
hammer curls superseted with tri kickbacks
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5’9" 130 is fucking skinny. A 15% gain in relatively lean mass in 2 months is very, very difficult. It’s probably only doable with gear to be quite honest. I don’t know of any programs for just dumbbells offhand, but I’m sure you can work around it. Unilateral lifts, weighted bodyweight, and some good old fashioned ingenuity would be the name of the game here.
Day 1: Vertical Press/Pull
1 arm snatch: 3 reps, 8 total working sets (4 per hand). 75 lbs should be plenty for a 130lbs beginner. Make sure to emphasize not pressing the weight out, focus on hip explosion and not upper body pulling.
1 arm Push Press/Jerk or Strict DB Overhead Presses: Make sure he’s doing these standing. 5 x 5 or something similar.
Chins: Whatever he can manage. 3 rep negatives if he can’t do a chinup.
Finish with some tricep pushups. Do these by keeping the elbows tucked and hands close together (not necessarily “diamond” pushups).
Day 2: Horizontal Press/Pull
Weighted Dips: Mini-cycle of 3 rep and 5 rep sets, up to 25 total working reps. Grab two chairs, and use them to do dips. Cross your legs to hold the dumbbell if he can do weighted dips.
Dumbbell Floor Press: 2 sets of 20 reps or 3 sets of 15 reps. Pick a weight he’ll burn out with. Make sure he keeps palms in to add emphasis to the pectacles.
Dumbbell Rows: 8-12 reps, total volume not to exceed 40 total reps.
Curls for the Girls
Day 3: Squat
DB Bulgarian Split Squats: Same as dips, mini-cycle 3rep and 5rep sets. 1 set is 3 or 5 reps with each leg. If 5x5 with 45 lbs is too easy then do pistols. I doubt he’ll be able to do pistols.
1 leg Romanian Deadlift: 8 x 3 with as much weight as he can handle. Again, 1 set is 8 reps with each leg.
Finish with some bodyweight core stuff. Toe touches, crunches, V-ups, planks or a combination of the above.
One thing I highly recommend is for him to make his own medicine ball and sandbag. For a medicine ball, go buy some playground sand and a cheap $5 junior sized basketball. Cut a small hole in the basketball, and use a funnel to load it with the playground sand until it reaches the desired weight. Patch the hole with duct tape or tire sealant. To make a sandbag, get a canvas duffel from an army surplus store and some cheap gallon ziplock style bag. Fill the bags with playground sand, then use the little mini sandbags to fill the canvas duffel. This should weigh ~100lbs. If he does this, sandbag shouldering is a great total body movement, medicine ball slams and tosses are also deceptively taxing.
EDIT:
What I mean by a minicycle is to vary your rep scheme from week to week with 3 reps one week, and 5 reps the next week. This shouldn’t be a huge concern since this guy’s a beginner and just about everything will stimulate CNS adaption and muscle growth.