And carbs are neccessary to gain weight why?
Carbs are stored in your glycogen reserves? So more carbs, more glycogen storage in your muscles meaning more lean body mass?
Iām not stating that, Iām asking. 
it is hard for me to believe that the winner of the natural bodybuilding champion shipsā¦
Masters Men Overall
Ron Williams, USA
is not on roidsā¦i mean i dont really know what constitutes natural, like what supplements they are allowed to take, but that is still impressiveā¦
im outi
Roberth
why are carbs needed? because they are the bodies preffered source of energy, and are anabolic. However, people eat wayyy too many carbs. you should be eating enough carbs to fill up your live and muscle glycogen, going past that point is storing fat. best times to eat carb: after work out, as some receptors get more active that makes it more likely for carbs to be shuttled into musclesā¦ Glycogen wouldnāt be considered lean body mass.
Edit:
you guys need to check out the ācarb cycling codexā by CTā¦ that shit is fireā¦ thatās on www.t-nation.com
I thought lean body mass is anything thatās not fat tissue.
The process by which the body uses protein as an energy substrate is a metabolically expensive one. I think what dradix was getting at was that to gain weight you need a balanced dietā¦not just a shitload of protein, which is where alot of trainees go wrong in my opinion.
I personally am more in favor of cycling than overall balance. I am also not in favor of ālean bulkingā its an oxymoron. You go to some sites and the guys are ālean bulkingā for six months with 2750-3000 calories of chicken breast and veggies, followed by cutting for 12 weeks with 1500-1750 calories of the same shit. Net result your right back around where you started. And to make it worse your giving up your life in order to gain two pounds of muscle. I enjoy eating way to much to lean bulk. Iām not saying you go hog wild but theres nothing wrong with eating steak and hamburgers in the off season. Staying off of liquid calories is the biggest thing to do. If you donāt go for nutritionally empty foods (sugars and white breads) you can eat anything you want off season and see good gains that arenāt pure fat. The trick is eating enough to gain but not just eat because you can.
Exactly. In the beginning, I was one of those who just crammed in as much protein as I could and guess what?! NO PROGRESS. It was not until I did some research did I realize how foolish I was. Of course too much carbs will make you fat but that is the same for any other macronutrient. Excess calories only get stored one way. Now you have to realize that it is easier to consume carbs than its equivalent in protein and that is why people have such a problem with carbs.
i think IMO if you āclean bulkā correctly that you wouldnt do a cutting phase like you described, that is why you clean bulk in the first placeā¦to not do that cutting phaseā¦
im outi
Roberth
If you get quality macros eating whatever you want and get enough to support growth and repair then by all means. I for one put on a shitload of fat when I was training with erikā¦it was the worst thing I couldāve ever done. Now Iām almost 20%BF and will be dieting down for a minute. Iām not going to try anything fancy with my diet, just clean it up alot. Iām eating alot more protein and a lot less fat right now, but Iām still getting in a fair amount of carbs though tooā¦
Breakfast:
2 whole omega eggs
4 egg whites
1/2 cup oatmeal
1 cup fat free milk
PWO shake:
2 scoops whey isolate
1/2 cup (roughly 50g) maltodextrin
Lunch:
2 pbjās with natty pb and sugar free preserves on whole grain wheat
protein shake (1 scoop)
Protein shake
2 scoops whey
Dinner:
Baked Chicken tenders (I buy raw chicken and batter/bread it myself)
1 can green beans
Before bed:
1/2 cup cottage cheese
2 table spoons natty pb
1 cup milk
I havenāt really bothered counting cals yet. This has been pretty good for maintaining bodyweight and/or even dropping a pound or two here. If I canāt lose any weight soon with thisā¦I will drop the malto from the PWO shake and replace the PBJās with a lean protein + fibrous veggieā¦and add a whole wheat bagel to breakfastā¦
Chaos: Yeahā¦ The idea of ālean bulkingā is that you eat cleanly, so you gain optimum amount of muscle with minimum amount of fat so you donāt have to cut AS Longā¦ 'cause the ātraditionalā bulking cycle puts on way too much fat, the cutting process you lose that hard earned muscleā¦ Lean bulking is all about getting 1 gram of protein per body weightā¦ best is 1.5, carbs/fat depend on the individualā¦ but 500 calories above maintenance is a good rule of thumb it seems.
Chicken and green beans for dinner. No starch? Hm. Is this for fat loss?
Also, are you taking up to 3 scoops per day?
I own a jug that says one scoop a day, does yours say that?
thatās the gist of it. However, how many calories a person needs over maintenance is completely up to the individual. A good rule is to increase cals in 5% increments until the desired gains are acheived.
wellā¦itās about meal timing. You really donāt need starchy carbs with every meal. You need them sayā¦at breakfast and PWOā¦unless you lead a very physically demanding life that isā¦green beans do have some carbs though, and lotsa fiber.
I take in more than 3 scoops most daysā¦2 pwoā¦1 with lunchā¦2 in the evening at work. Ignore what the labels say on your supplements most of the time, and take what you want/need.
Iāve had this discussion with a friend before, and he said something like, āYou body can only absorb so much protein. Taking more than X will just result in you shitting it out.ā
Any comments?
I think this question was answered already. Some say you should have 30-40 grams per meal some say you should have more. All I know is you should take your proteins 3 hours apart and divide your total daily protein intake between 4-6 meals. Thatās what tom venuto wrote in his book which Iām reading right now.
Duc
What your body doesnāt use, it gets rid of it later.
Are you referring to the āBurn The Fatā ebook? If so, itās quite an interesting read.
From my knowledge, most people donāt absorb more then 50-60 grams of protein per feeding, however genetics are helluva thingā¦ differs for people.
Ducvader: Here, iāll make your life easy. Take your body weight in pounds, multiply it by 1.5. There is how much proteni you should be eating, every 2 hours. :wgrin: I doubt ANYBODY can argue that, iāve read that everywhere.
You canāt physically shit out proteinā¦I think the excess nitrogen is flushed out with your urineā¦
I think your friend was talking about how much protein you can take in at ONE TIME. And you should divide out your total protein intake just as duc said, over the course of the day.
bingoā¦
So I need 300g of protein every 2 hours?
^I wanna see that actually happen.