-- Weightlifting & Nutrition Thread -- v9.0 Optimized

Magnus: I went back a few pages and read a few of your comments. So I was curious as to exactly how you train/trained someone. Now this is not to critique your training but rather to help me with mine. I always like to see how others train so that I could try and implement some of their knowledge into my training. If you have the time then an exact routine would be nice. Thanks.

I know nothing of creatine (and don’t use it), but I’ve heard it makes your body retain water weight and causes acne. Can anyone confirm this or if it’s a bunch of bs?

Yeah, the 3 types are skeletal, smooth, and I think the last one is striated.

i just picked up the metabolism advantage, gonna start the program when i get back from wisconsin in december

you guys have any other books you can recommend concerning how the body works, nutrition and fitness?

I’d say cop any of John Berardi’s work on nutrition… guy is my nutrition guru :wgrin:

I do not believe that creatine causes acne. I have heard a few people say this, but I am not sure about that. If it does, MAYBE it has something to do with dehydration but I really could not say for sure. I only know that it did not cause me to break out. However, it does cause water retention and in some people, bloating.

holy shit sons, i forgot to post about this. thanksgiving weekend i went home to visit the parents and since i have a membership at a worlds gym i went to the one there.

i was doing some lat pulldown and then i saw these two dudes working out together, i was like wtf that dude looks familiar…it was fucking Troy Alves, i was like OH SHIT…that fool is huge man so i looked up his stats and hes at like 215, and then i was like fuck, that motherfucker looks like he can outkick a horse…but what is really amazing is ronnie coleman is fucking 100+lbs heavier than him so im like if Troy looks that big in real life, i dont know wtf ronnie will look like…damn son…

anyway that was cool, the first real pro bodybuilder i have seen in person…

im outi

Roberth

Magnus: Stan Mcquay, on gear or no?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I am a personal trainer, I train lots of people. People with different abilities and goals, my job is to help them do whatever they want. I posted my new routine a couple pages back. It is a bench and squat program, geared towards strength…and it is kinda my version of westside…(2 days heavy lifting, 2 days speed work)

What are your goals and what are you doing now? I will tell what I think, regardless of whether you value my opinion.

Come on Magnus… Don’t bullshit me Arnold voice I’ll get that fucking big without 'roids :arazz:

BTW, question o’ body full of great nutrition and working out knowledge…

I’ve been lifting three times a week with your program, and doing interval 2x a week. Lifts: Mon, wed, fri Interval: Tues, Thurs. It is dec. 06… I’m leaving for montreal on dec. 21st. I’m about 12ish % body fat… Want to get around 10 or lower before I leave. Thoughts? Thinking i’ll add another day of interval again, and maybe lower my calories from carbs a bit? Also, from the 21st to 2-3rd i’m going to be in montreal… W/o access to a gym, i’ll just have a stability ball… won’t even be able to run. So I guess it’s a good week off… However, what should I do about my diet on that week off? :S I can eat cleanly over there as i’ll be going grocery shopping, except the minor cheat here and there… heheh. Currently i’m in taking about 2500 calories a day, while carb cycling.

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It’s actually about 10 Days X_X NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Home exercises?

Magnus: Of course I value your opinion, otherwise I would not ask. I am familiar with the Westside even though I have never done it myself. I believe one of my friends is currently on it. As for my goals, I am currently trying to lower my body fat %. My weekend measurement was about 15% at 215lbs (I am 6f 3in). I am on a pretty strict nutrition routine right now but I was not sure about the training plan. For the most part I have been sticking to low, heavy reps and most of my routine is compound. Let me know how you would go about it. Thanks.

hey guys. i am about 280 pounds and i need to drop to at least 200 to be back into shape. Is there any diets/excersises plans you guys can offer me that will be the safest and fastest way for me to drop this weight? thanks.

thread is great btw.

I was laughing at the question…of course stan is on gear. Look at the winners of the natural shows, that should give you a benchmark to go by.

As for the nutritional stuff, I would consult berardi on that one. I’ve never had to do more than eat clean/often and throw in some cardio to shed bodyfat. You could try carb cycling, but don’t ask me how it’s done…:rofl:

Well, if you are in a caloric deficit there are a couple things you just have to do…I wouldn’t lift quite as often or as long as I normally would since energy substrates are in short supply. IMHO, training for size when cutting is completely pointless, since you can’t really put on size. This is just my opinion…but I feel if you are trying to cut, then make the workouts more metabolic, while striving to gain or just maintain strength levels. If you are REALLY hardcore about shedding body fat, I think full body routines with interval training on 2-3 seperate days is the way to go…(shu has done quite well so far with the program I wrote, I give him props for having the work capacity to COMPLETE those workouts!!)

It really is all about the diet though. The diet can even dictate what kind of cardio you should be doing. I’m still buffing up in the nutrition department however. I can advise someone on how to clean up the diet, but not how to get uber low bf levels with advanced dieting techniques.

First off, thank you, Dradix. My protein drinks taste pretty good actually. Nothing to write home about, but then again I use water. Yeesh, ANYTHING that tastes good is fuckin’ bad for you.

Second, have you read the past posts? There was a tiny debate about money versus food. And in the money category, protein drinks sometimes come out cheaper than the food. Any thoughts?

Natural shows?? Whoa, I’m curious. Recommend any sites?

Denjin: You are right. Sometimes food (protein) does come out to be more than protein powder. My only suggestion is to shop around and check prices. I know most groceries in my area tend to have weekend sales on meat, tuna etc.

As for the natural bodybuilding, I used to go on this one site http://www.naturalbodybuilding.com/
I am not sure how legit the site is but they have a list of banned substances as well as a ā€œHall of Shameā€ for those ā€œNaturalā€ bodybuilders who tested positive. Check under the ā€œfailed athletesā€ tab for this.

lol, not any sites really, I just run across pictures from time to time…and they are pretty tiny by comparison. It’s a reality check to say the least.

I believe that was a typo and that you really meant ā€œ100lbsā€. The first thing you need to do is too keep away from JUNK food. Generally, we all know what is bad for us but we eat it anyway. As for an exercises plan, Magnus can help you out with that but if you are currently a very inactive person then the best thing to do is to become ACTIVE. Yep, weight training will be nice as well as some cardio but even a pick up game of basketball can help some or swimming (too cold now). Do not see it as a diet/nutrition plan but rather a change of lifestyle. Good luck.

Drinking a lot is gonna toss on a lot of weight too for anyone who parties often.

Looking at natty bodybuilding shows is kinda like watching the special olympics. Nothing to see, move along. Certainly helps put physiques in perspective however, it helps to kill off a lot of preconceptions. And as an aside the musclemania level guys use as do lifters in quite a few other natty feds, which is both ridiculous and sad.

it’s tough getting all the protein, and i need to gain some weight!
what do you guys think of Pure Protein bars and Designer Whey Protein Powder as protein suppliments? I find them to be the best tasting while being lean and providing high source of protein…

i never use them to replace the 3 main meals… i eat about 5 bars/week (usually on my car ride home) and mis the protein mix in with my milk when i eat my Go Lean kashi cereal (13gs of protein!) and a glass either after weight lifting or before bed on my rest days…

the problem is, i read in a recent previous post that the proteins in this stuff aren’t complete proteins and full of crap that’ll be more neg than pos…

if that’s the case, i’m better off spending my money on something better… though, to be honest, i’m getting sick of eggs and chicken/turkey slices (still downing them though!)

are these ok to eat or can anyone recommend something?

Because they are not complete does not mean they are ā€œfull of crapā€. I was just meant that they could be neglected if you are counting grams of protein. As for the bars, gaining muscle is not all about protein. Read the carbs on the label. I am pretty sure that Pure Protein bars contain 4g net carbs. These sort of bars contain ā€œsugar alcoholsā€ which do not have the same impact as just ā€œregularā€ carbs. Although not entirely accurate, read it as ā€œI am only getting 4g of carbs from my barā€. You need to get in more carbs. Whether you wash it down with some milk (60:40 carb to protein) or even have it with a banana. Just try to bring up those carbs. And if it is about convenience, then you are better off going with a meal replacement bar than a protein bar.

I fully understand getting sick of all that protein but where is the pasta, brown rice, oatmeal, bananas etc?! You need to get in those carbs otherwise you are only eating in vain. Good luck.