We like wearing heels! Poison General Discussion/Q&A Thread

[amrraed]

what do you guys think about Guile and Vega matchups ?

Regarding Guile i don’t know if she can play a fireball war with him, I have found fireball moving Poison forward very noticeable in this match too. I think mastering to LMT over sonic booms will be important in this one but i am not sure of the safety of this option.

Vega is a weird one because i have found LMT and EX LMT and overhead to work wonders on him but at the same time with Vega’s amazing footsies and his potential with red focus it could be a dangerous game to play so maybe trying to zone him is a better idea, i honestly not too sure.

PS: I thought i was typing in matchup thread, sorry to post somewhat off topic here

[tali]

Poison has a decent chip game if you are precise. Meaty hp fb, cr.mk xx rekkas does some decent chip

[Rave]

One angle on the Guile matchup might be counterhitting him out of the boom, he got nerfed to take counterhit on frames 10-20.
If you can get close enough to Guile where you can link an EX rekka off of eating his regular boom with EX AE it will link if the AE lands as a counterhit. I tried to link U1 or EX LMT after the counterhit AE with no luck, but you might want to attempt it anyway.

That said, as a Guile player, a lot of them wont give you that opportunity so close. Also, because Poison’s startup is so slow, I’m pretty sure the only way you are going to get a clean counterhit off a boom at that distance on reaction is if you’ve queued up the AE motion already and are leading it by holding forward. Ryu players used to get me with this trick into U1 sometimes.

[Terios]

Oh. Hakans non ex slide goes under our fireballs. That’s…that’s great. Good for him.

[Dontdodat]

That’s why you try to trick him with hp AE. Should be able to block and punish.

[Terios]

I figured it out. It just really caught me by surprise. Is AE just really high or what? If he just gets to slide under fireballs in general that’s crazy.

[Supernerd]

Hakan has always been able to slide under fireballs.

[Terios]

Normally he has to spend meter.

[PantsuRaid]

Is anyone else having trouble anti-airing with Poison? I’m getting a lot of trades, and I mean too much for my liking. Maybe it’s the online delay or whatever. Taking a quick look at her frame data, her anti-air moves all have 3 active frames, except for far hk which has 2… Am I the only one thinking they need to either buff the active frames or fix the hurt boxes slightly?

[tali]

Is anyone else having trouble anti-airing with Poison? I’m getting a lot of trades, and I mean too much for my liking. Maybe it’s the online delay or whatever. Taking a quick look at her frame data, her anti-air moves all have 3 active frames, except for far hk which has 2… Am I the only one thinking they need to either buff the active frames or fix the hurt boxes slightly?

Same here. Especially hard when dive kicks and tatsu change jump arcs

[Terios]

I have against Elena. Assume it’s cause her weird hurtbox. In general her antiairs work alright. Just gotta pick the right one.

[Drake_Aldan]

So.

@XthAtGAm3RGuYX postedthis in the USFIV general topic…

I’ve had others literally jump through my KBG as well (crossover?). We have no hitbox display (Thanks Obamafiend), but I think it’s safe to say that KBG has a poor (or at the least unintuitive) hitbox.

I think its use may be limited to last-second anti-air after chucking plasma (using preferably the LK version for the trade into WoL).
How about you guys?

I would think about using it in footsies, but not only is that really risky, MK KBG doesn’t reach enough to punish a lot of moves, so it seems like suicide to use against people sticking out pokes…

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Poison seems to have a really hard time with crossups. I don’t think there’s one completely reliable way to deal with them.
Autocorrect EX KBG has to be done late (because of the poor hitbox, as shown above!), and it’s very nervewracking to use because of the timing.

I think, for standing crossups at least, all you should do is just forward dash. It seems to lower her hurtbox just a little, so I think it should still work if you do it a little late. (Too late and you might end up forward dashing the other way, though…?)

Depends on their jump it seems. You wanna do it early enough to remove yourself from the situation before they get there.

It may be beneficial to input it as f, f (i.e. hold the second forward input) so that you’re still blocking if you mess up.

You could also try walking forward. You have a few options, like cl. HK, cr. MP, cr. MK…

http://youtu.be/xqj07t8N2jM

For meaty crossups I think you may just be SOL. Who knows.

I’m not so sure about focus dashing to escape a crossup. Poison’s focus attack moves her just a tad backwards, so it can make it ambiguous for you to see which side is the backdash side.
Then you end up forward dashing right into their combo. Ooops…

[Dontdodat]

Is anyone else having trouble anti-airing with Poison? I’m getting a lot of trades, and I mean too much for my liking. Maybe it’s the online delay or whatever. Taking a quick look at her frame data, her anti-air moves all have 3 active frames, except for far hk which has 2… Am I the only one thinking they need to either buff the active frames or fix the hurt boxes slightly?

Try jump (any direction) instant roundhouse.

[Wonder_Chef]

cr.HP or MK DP has been working great for me so far. cr.HP has been super consistent, it just takes getting used to the timing I think. MK DP works soooo well, just do it as late as possible.

cr.HP xx HP Fireball as an AA is so damn strong, it puts the momentum totally in your favor.

EX DP also seems like it has a considerably better hitbox against people jumping over you than the non EX versions. I could be wrong though.

[BlacR3ap3r]

cr.Hp gets shit on a lot for me especially against a shotos j.Hk, I haven’t really tried using any of her dp’s for AA for fear that it’ll just whiff completely.

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

So.

XthAtGAm3RGuYX postedthis in the USFIV general topic…

After I messed around with it some more, it seems you can do it on purpose by neutral jumping right before Poison finishes the standing animation. If she does the dragon kick thing, it doesn go up fast enough to catch you, and the hitbox gets smaller as it is ascends so it just misses entirely. I’m not sure if it works with EVERY character, since Juri does have one of the most narrow hurtbox’s in the game after all. But yeah if you dragon kick in the corner while being pressured, you’re probably signing your own death warrant. EX Dragon kick might go up fast enough to catch a neutral jump, but with the decreasing hit box size it might still miss.

Fun Fact: I had to yell at subsequence after I watched that replay with inputs on. The amount of buttons being pressed disappoints me as his tutor.

[C.Viper_Fan]

Anyone having troble with her fireball game? I can’t seem to throw several fireballs in a row without a f jump coming out. Have no problem spamming fireballs with the rest of the cast.

[Supernerd]

Anyone having troble with her fireball game? I can’t seem to throw several fireballs in a row without a f jump coming out. Have no problem spamming fireballs with the rest of the cast.

Poison jump buffer input glitch

The game’s input system lets characters jump cancel into specials, such as d, df f, uf + P to do a jump cancel fireball with Ryu. It has an application in that it makes you unthrowable for a frame but it’s mainly in there as an input buffer so that specials still come out if the player over compensates on the QCF motion. Every character can do this. Except Poison. She has no jump input buffer leniency on her fireballs whatsoever. This means that if you hit an up input at any point during your …

[C.Viper_Fan]

Yeah, just read the thread. I’m glad i’m not the only one, but it’s so stupid.

[echomancer]

Anyone having troble with her fireball game? I can’t seem to throw several fireballs in a row without a f jump coming out. Have no problem spamming fireballs with the rest of the cast.

I thought I was the only one having this problem. Ugh…she just keeps getting worse and worse.