Maybe you should play in some tournies so you understand the difference in mindset between casuals and competitive? Perhaps for you casuals is your competitive.
You see it at all levels of competitive activity. Pre-season, regular season, playoffs. Intensity, desire and effort level all go up. This is a fact.
Actually it’s pretty easy to prove what I say, just ask the players if they try harder in tournies or casuals.
This is just getting silly, people arguing for the sake of argument.
Generally people try harder when there is more on the line. This is a fact that is present in all levels of competitive activity or sports. You can see it when you watch you favorite sports. If you ever played sports you have probably experienced it for yourself.
I can’t even understand how anybody would even try to argue against it.
I’ve seen champions league finals that were way worse matches than the qualifiers for the very same cup, so what? Tension and desire to win at any costs doesn’t make you necessairly play “better”. In fact tension does make you play worse in many instances. You can play at your true best only when you’re relaxed.
I mean, at this point you’re just a lost cause to me. Not a single person is agreeing with you, yet you still continue with the same bs.
At this point i’m realizing how smart alioune was and i’m gonna do the same: you are right sir (…or should I say kid?). Whatever, you are always right.
The problem with your statement is that it is not always true. In fact I just gave you a counter example (which you conveniently ignored) that happened this last week. You can still watch it on Team Spooky’s youtube channel. Would you call losers finals of a major (part of the evo tournament season) a game where everything was on the line? So why was Justin Wong, a top 10 player, intentionally trolling Noel Brown?
Likewise your statement that people may not play as hard in casuals is also not always true. Haven’t you ever seen “that guy” who plays a pick up game of basketball and treats it like he is playing for the NCAA title?
That is what you don’t get. You cannot, and I mean CANNOT, make those generalizations and expect it to hold all the time. I can come up with several cases where players were screwing around in a tournament setting and likewise I can come up with several cases where people take casuals pretty freaking serious. These are random factors YOU CAN NOT ACCOUNT FOR without statistical analysis.
Exactly, so what. I never said every single competitive match was the greatest match ever.
Try making arguments that actually make sense
Who cares? You’re just a salty online scrub flaunting his lack of knowledge on the internet. Go back to running away from tournies and playing ranked on live.
Until you place at least decently (and i’m not saying top 8, 16 or even 32, just decently) in a tournament that is worth more than jack shit winni- in the middle of fucking nowhere -peg your knowledge is just as important as mine. The last video I saw from you in a tournament you were demon flipping like a madman and you even managed to lose vs a gen that never punished you once for it. Yeah, it was a tournament, you were playing really well!!! You didn’t even get out of pools at evo and I didn’t see you at the only major there ever was in canada. So just shut the fuck up salty ARROGANT scrub.
I placed top 16 in HDR at Evo 2009. It’s not SF4 but it does show that I am a high caliber player. But whatever, JR keeps placing top 32 and you think he sucks, so take your online, tourney hiding scrub ass out of here.
Shin, just a piece of advice, try to accept people’s opinions in a better way, you’re just making yourself look like a douche thinking whatever you say is a fact, everyone else is wrong and that you MUST have the final word in arguments. I think everyone would agree that these 10 pages of pointless arguments is getting very old.
I mean If you can’t at least respect Alioune’s opinion who’s considered as Europe’s best player and is definitely one of the best in the world, I can’t see you respecting Anyone’s opinion if doesn’t agree with yours period.
Well I’m just an online scrub so I guess I’m just wasting my energy here …
Where did I say I didn’t respect Alioune’s opionin. (he seems to be a very good player who contributes alot to the community)
All I said is that casuals aren’t the best indicator of a matchup. He came back and decided to be a smart ass.
The problem is nobody actually takes the time to read anything before interjecting their thoughts. If people actually took the effort to read what was being said instead of flying off the handle on half understood discussions these things wouldn’t happen.
Dude seriously, you have a habit of beating a dead horse even when the whole forum is against you. You ignored my counter example (Which wasn’t insignificant BTW) and hell I can come up with dozens more where a player was screwing around in a tournament match. Just at the last tournament I went to in Seattle (54 man tournament) a friend of mine had a game in the bag so he started to screw around. He only needed to chip someone out and instead he went for a gimmicky demon set up
ended up eating a large combo and eventually lost the set because he was screwing around and let the other player back into the match.
In an ideal world, you would be 100% correct. But I think you will find that a lot of crap happens in application. Nerves, Immaturity, Experience, Random Glitches, Luck, etc happen in tournaments. To say that casuals < tournaments is not always true.
Your problem is you are generalizing based off how you do not how others do. I for one know a lot of players who can’t play well in tournaments even though they are really good casual players. Likewise I also know tons of players who thrive in the spotlight.
At any rate this is the last post I make on this topic.
And for as much as you claim we haven’t read your posts, you seem to just ignore ours even more. I’ve read your argument and understand quite well what you are saying
In short you are saying casuals are not as good of a indicator because people are more driven to succeed when things are on the line. I have told you that is true, but at the same time that is one of dozens of human factors that go into any given match. You can’t single that one factor out because every other human factor is just the same.
To put it in nice simple terms
HUMANS ARE NOT SIMPLE. THEY ARE COMPLEX AND COMPLETELY RANDOM CREATURES AND NO TWO ARE THE SAME. One people might be driven to excel while another is too busy peeing his pants to focus. Yet you seem to ignore that.
Oh and so far the tournament data I have collected suggests the match up is 6-4 Cammy. Thank you and good night.
