WD - WaveDash or WeaponDash :Topic Split:

[GHNeko]

Alternate: I did it to Karas on both corners until I got tired of it and got a tatsunical. I think your problem might be the :snkc:,:qcf::snka:,:snka: part. After the :snkb: kick, wait a bit then do the C, and as soon as you see megaman doing the C power shot frame, you cancel and do A. How I do it is I mash A, until I get 3 hits, then B, repeat. Watch your timing, as that’s esp. important.

Makes sense. I’ve managed to do it know. Thank you.

Unless you count Mega’s Wavedash. LOL.

But yea. I think my button config is making it near impossible or practical on my fingers to do it. >:

And I really dont wanna switch buttons because I’m already used to my set up. D:

I should correct you before you make somebody upset.

Wavedashing didn’t start with SSBM. It just stand out more. Wavedashing has been applied in Tekken and some of the versus games LONG before it was discovered in SSBM. SSBM just utilizes the exploit much more differently than in other games. If I’m not mistaken, a Luigi player first introduced the exploit to the meta-game and then a Fox player used it to the meta-game’s expectations to help augment against the Marth matchup.

In the versus games, it’s to my understanding that wavedashing is a series of perfectly executed sequence of Dashing. If I’m not mistaken, using the crouch to stop the dash animation, and then repeating this to quickly approach or runaway.

In MvC, wolverine became incredibly dangerous because of his ability to utilize wavedashing so well. Easy infinites became available to him as a result of this.

So calling megaman’s mode switch thing a wavedash MIGHT be pushing it. I just thought I’d share my input.

I should correct you before you make somebody upset.

Wavedashing didn’t start with SSBM. It just stand out more. Wavedashing has been applied in Tekken and some of the versus games LONG before it was discovered in SSBM. SSBM just utilizes the exploit much more differently than in other games. If I’m not mistaken, a Luigi player first introduced the exploit to the meta-game and then a Fox player used it to the meta-game’s expectations to help augment against the Marth matchup.

In the versus games, it’s to my understanding that wavedashing is a series of perfectly executed sequence of Dashing. If I’m not mistaken, using the crouch to stop the dash animation, and then repeating this to quickly approach or runaway.

In MvC, wolverine became incredibly dangerous because of his ability to utilize wavedashing so well. Easy infinites became available to him as a result of this.

So calling megaman’s mode switch thing a wavedash MIGHT be pushing it. I just thought I’d share my input.

Understood. The only reason why I even I called it a wavedash is because its more reminisent of the Melee Wavedash. In melee, you move towards your apponent and WD back. This is the basic ideal and use of weapon switching as a form of mental game play. You dash towards your opponent and weapon switch away. With fast enough fingers, you can switch back towards your opponent after switching away. That’s the only reason why I called it that because in essance, its similar to Melee’s WDing than any other fighter. I played tekken too, so yea. I do know where you’re coming from. After I first found it out, I wanted call it Weapon Dashing, because essentally, that is what it is. But I simply settled on Wavedashing because of my roots in Smash. I’m not trying to make everyone call it Wavedashing. If weapon dashing becomes the normal term, Ill call it that, or settle on its abbrivation, but with my personal friends who know me personally, Ill call it Wavedashing, just like how I call nintendo’s console the Revolution instead of its actual name, but that’s a whole nother story I dont wish to get into.

EDIT: Honestly, I dont see it as a big issue, but I can see it become one just because of the attitude towards Smash in general. So if it does become one, Ill settle on the general consensus of the Megaman board, not anyone elses. Because the Megaman players name the Megaman specific ATs, Tactics, Combos, etc etc. Not the Alex Boards, not the Karas boards, not the Ryu Boards. The Megaman board.

My two cents (which nobody asked for): weapon dashing is appropriate, but also wavedashing could work because (in all instances) what it does is allows you to do shorter, more controlled dashes than a regular dash. That seems to be what these things have had in common. Regardless of whether or not it’s referring to the smash thing, it’s a short, quick dash that helps with mobility stuff. So basically I think it’s fine whatever you want to call it, as long as we know what you’re talking about.

My two cents (which nobody asked for): weapon dashing is appropriate, but also wavedashing could work because (in all instances) what it does is allows you to do shorter, more controlled dashes than a regular dash. That seems to be what these things have had in common. Regardless of whether or not it’s referring to the smash thing, it’s a short, quick dash that helps with mobility stuff. So basically I think it’s fine whatever you want to call it, as long as we know what you’re talking about.

Agreed. Give this guy a cookie.

EDIT: We need a Megaman Board mod. This topic needs to be split.

Understood. The only reason why I even I called it a wavedash is because its more reminisent of the Melee Wavedash. In melee, you move towards your apponent and WD back. This is the basic ideal and use of weapon switching as a form of mental game play. You dash towards your opponent and weapon switch away. With fast enough fingers, you can switch back towards your opponent after switching away. That’s the only reason why I called it that because in essance, its similar to Melee’s WDing than any other fighter. I played tekken too, so yea. I do know where you’re coming from. After I first found it out, I wanted call it Weapon Dashing, because essentally, that is what it is. But I simply settled on Wavedashing because of my roots in Smash. I’m not trying to make everyone call it Wavedashing. If weapon dashing becomes the normal term, Ill call it that, or settle on its abbrivation, but with my personal friends who know me personally, Ill call it Wavedashing, just like how I call nintendo’s console the Revolution instead of its actual name, but that’s a whole nother story I dont wish to get into.

EDIT: Honestly, I dont see it as a big issue, but I can see it become one just because of the attitude towards Smash in general. So if it does become one, Ill settle on the general consensus of the Megaman board, not anyone elses. Because the Megaman players name the Megaman specific ATs, Tactics, Combos, etc etc. Not the Alex Boards, not the Karas boards, not the Ryu Boards. The Megaman board.

Offtopic: You should check my youtube videos of me playing melee xD
I was heavily involved with Melee activity until Brawl came out. Then I just quit smash entirely.

My two cents (which nobody asked for): weapon dashing is appropriate, but also wavedashing could work because (in all instances) what it does is allows you to do shorter, more controlled dashes than a regular dash. That seems to be what these things have had in common. Regardless of whether or not it’s referring to the smash thing, it’s a short, quick dash that helps with mobility stuff. So basically I think it’s fine whatever you want to call it, as long as we know what you’re talking about.

Weapon Dashing… I like it :tup:

Alternate: Np glad to help, just noticed you’re also on dloop. =D

I’m also on Tekken Zaibatsu, Virtua Fighter Dot Com, Cyberfanatix, that Mortal Kombat community, Willvolution.com, SWF, and I even have my own fighting game forum =]

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[yourmother]

Just call it a weapon dash…that way everybody’s happy and it really does help describe what’s happening better. Also i’m honored to have my same post quoted 3x in your OP lol.

[GHNeko]

Just call it a weapon dash…that way everybody’s happy and it really does help describe what’s happening better. Also i’m honored to have my same post quoted 3x in your OP lol.

You’re a pretty cool guy eh who likes to be a voice of reason and doesn’t afraid of anything.

EDIT: Plus I think WeaponDashing would be better. I just wanted to split this from the other topic and keep THAT on track.

I’m such a wannabe mod.

[mtran66]

is there talk about weapon dash combos anywhere?

was playing around in training last night and did an interesting combo, but I dunno if it’s been posted yet.

After a midscreen launcher -> sj. A, 5A, 5B, 5B, j.B, 5B, 6B (shield) cancel into 236B -> 236B (chase after the wall bounce - still in the air), 5B, 6B (shield again) XX machine gun super

I can put up a vid if you want. It’s actually not that hard to do. I’m wondering if someone does stuff like this and can expand on some possibilities with weapon dash combos.

this does 16,000 damage

if you don’t do the weapon dash link after the first shield and just land then dash and juggle them as they’re falling after the wall bounce with 5B, 3C, sj 5B, j. 5B, 5B, 6B XX machine gun super; it does around 18,000 damage.

Also, a technique I use with karas assist to set up a shield air combo is the following:

Assume I’m using another gun arm other than shield. Usually have machine gun on for spamming.

Say I do a jump-in combo with B or 2C (down shot), then I’ll do:

2A, (2)P, 2A

this does 2 low kicks and karas jumps out for the 3rd hit and stuns them. Then I’ll do:

236B, 5B, 3C

this will combo after karas’ stun assist. 5B will come out if you mash B after 236B and the opponent will always be standing so it will connect 2 hits. After this you have a launcher and you can set up a nice wall-bounce air combo into machine gun super and have full gun charge after.

[Sylence]

After a midscreen launcher -> sj. A, 5A, 5B, 5B, j.B, 5B, 6B (shield) cancel into 236B -> 236B (chase after the wall bounce - still in the air), 5B, 6B (shield again) XX machine gun super

Doesn’t relaunch after aerial shield work anywhere on screen? I actually don’t remember right now, but if it does, then there’s really no reason to do the combo you just listed. If relaunch only works near the corner, then yeah the combo you mentioned sounds like a decent alternative.
It can actually be improved, even; after the first shield hit, do 236B 236C so that you end up with drill arm. Substitute the second shield in that air combo with an aerial drill arm, then machine gun sweep. Drill arm in the air does more damage than any other single arm attack, but it’s sensitive to the character’s height, so you’d have to test and see if this works. If it doesn’t, normal machine gun probably still does more damage than a second shield hit.

[mtran66]

yea it works anywhere, if you read below, I said that you don’t have to do the air weapon dash link.

It seems like there is some potential but I can’t think of anything.

oh, if you hold C during the whole thing, you’ll get a 2/3 charge on your gun, but the juggle is a little weird in that it doesn’t get all the hits in and your opponent just bounces off the shot taking 1-2 hits, if you shoot the charge shot instead of do machine gun super

hmm… that got me thinking.

if you charge C on the launcher and do the wall bounce combo and switch to machinegun after a shield. if you juggle the opponent with 5B then do machinegun will you get full C charge?

even if you don’t, a dash 5B, 6B, release C should do some good damage… I guess if you don’t have bar or you don’t want to do machinegun super.

[GHNeko]

yea it works anywhere, if you read below, I said that you don’t have to do the air weapon dash link.

It seems like there is some potential but I can’t think of anything.

oh, if you hold C during the whole thing, you’ll get a 2/3 charge on your gun, but the juggle is a little weird in that it doesn’t get all the hits in and your opponent just bounces off the shot taking 1-2 hits, if you shoot the charge shot instead of do machine gun super

hmm… that got me thinking.

if you charge C on the launcher and do the wall bounce combo and switch to machinegun after a shield. if you juggle the opponent with 5B then do machinegun will you get full C charge?

even if you don’t, a dash 5B, 6B, release C should do some good damage… I guess if you don’t have bar or you don’t want to do machinegun super.

Not sure. Which combo are you talking about?

[mtran66]

3C (charge), sj, 5A, 5A, 5B, 5B, j, 5B, 5B, 6B (shield), 236A, land, 5B juggle, 6B, release C