Virtua Fighter 5 IS online

[System_1]

Don’t even bother replying Granby. You can’t make this rock bleed, even with Goh’s 6p:wink:

It’s retarded. I’ve sat down with the game, went to training mode, picked the characters I play (Lion, Pai, Eileen) and tested every single one of their moves against on block CPU options and I know what’s safe and unsafe. Hell I tried to come up with an attack string that actually WORKS and cannot be countered but I’ve very rarely found them. For this guy to say all this shit and not have 1 bit of it tested is just ridiculous and it’s a waste of my time to even be replying to him. He admits that he isn’t all that good in VF and he doesn’t even have VF to practice on. Everything he is saying is not backed up. Yet with that Lion situation, I’ve actually posted real-world and proveable frame data, just to show that you can’t beat the frames regardless of what you try.

Hell with Jacky you can go 6P > backdash to let 2P whiff and punish.

Well no shit it’s -5 on block and only a total of 16 frames from execution to action. It’s a safe move. But you’re being stupid by quoting attack strings, which are unproven uninterruptable ON BLOCK. Do you even know what on block means? Here, maybe you need a little lesson on frames, since you obviously say every thing I post (which is backed up by frame data) is BS

http://virtuafighter.com/view.php?section=vf4&file=vf4ft_frames_guide.html

if you wont listen to me, then read that. If you refuse to learn and acknowledge what’s in there, then you’re a scrub plain and simple.

[Debaser]

It’s retarded. I’ve sat down with the game, went to training mode, picked the characters I play (Lion, Pai, Eileen) and tested every single one of their moves against on block CPU options and I know what’s safe and unsafe. Hell I tried to come up with an attack string that actually WORKS and cannot be countered but I’ve very rarely found them. For this guy to say all this shit and not have 1 bit of it tested is just ridiculous and it’s a waste of my time to even be replying to him. He admits that he isn’t all that good in VF and he doesn’t even have VF to practice on. Everything he is saying is not backed up.

I know I know. You can’t do it, so obviously know one else on this planet can do it either right? You can go back to practicing your low punch now.

EDIT: Remember that whole evading thing?

EDIT2: Look at this video at 1:18

http://www.youtube.com/user/gauche5

[System_1]

I know I know. You can’t do it, so obviously know one else on this planet can do it either right? You can go back to practicing your low punch now.

EDIT: Remeber that whole evading thing?

There’s just somethings that the frames will not allow. The guide I just posted teaches you all about it.

quote from the guide

Stringing together frame-tight offensive attacks like this forces your opponent to take more defensive measures, and when you recognise this, you can then take further advantage of the situation.

This isn’t easy. The way that the game is built, revolving around negative frames on block. The whole on-block scenario itself eliminates just about every attack pattern out there because depending on the duration of the move, you will be able to use a move from your own command list to fight back. Therefore you do one move, they block it, they do their move. If you try to do your own move, and it’s unsafe (remember you are on negative because they just blocked your move, anything you do is actually longer), they will score a counter-hit depending on which move they chose to hit you with.

EDIT2: Look at this video at 1:18

http://www.youtube.com/user/gauche5

I saw that. Goh hit him which places him + positive frames, so he has the advantage. Goh uses another safe and fast move and the other guy couldn’t retaliate because his move was slower by frame comparison. This whole game is based on frames man. You know your frames your gameplay is that much more tight-aggressive.

[Debaser]

It’s based on frames huh? Wow. Never knew that chief. You’re really just making a point for the game. You basically explained how priority works, which exists in ever fighting game created. You basically said that low punch won’t work against a quick move when you’re at a disadvantage. There you go.

[FallingEdge]

It’s based on frames huh? Wow. Never knew that chief. You’re really just making a point for the game. You basically explained how priority works, which exists in ever fighting game created. You basically said that low punch won’t work against a quick move when you’re at a disadvantage. There you go.

Hey man, you can’t argue with him. Theory Fighter ftw :rolleyes:

[System_1]

Hey man, you can’t argue with him. Theory Fighter ftw :rolleyes:

So if this exact argument came from a revered top player, it’s truth. But coming from a random guy like me, its Theory Fighter. Even though the shit that I’m talking about has been fully tested and can be backed up by the frames chart, and actually doing it in practically the same situation out of training mode in arcade and versus. As I said. Lion’s 4,3P on block can be guaranteed down punched every time, no retailation from Lion can be made because he can’t move, his move is not finished. Just goes to show that if you do proper math using the frame chart, and actually test it out in game, you’ll see it’ll work the way the data has it.

[Debaser]

Hey man, you can’t argue with him. Theory Fighter ftw :rolleyes:

I can’t just give up. After all,

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Seriousbusiness2.jpg

[Shadowcuz]

This whole game is based on frames man. You know your frames your gameplay is that much more tight-aggressive.

oh wow, i never knew that…

[Slide]

Because game politics got in the way of my fun. It’s not even a matter of Sega can’t do the feature on the PS3, as online is standard on all consoles. It’s a matter of sega getting cash and a dev team handed to them just to get a feature up and running, when they could do it themselves.

You mean, getting money?

So getting money is bad huh?(So a company can last longer, and quite possibly please a much larger audience? Ensuring they’re around longer to get to everybody. Or even better, so that they have the finances to stick around and do what it is they love to do.)

Oh wait nevermind, you are right. Just you. Only you.
Not me, and everyone else aswell, even though we’re all customers, too.

They please someone that wanted these features, and they quite possibly got paid more for it. So that way down the road they’ll be available to please you(again?) at some point too. Because let’s face it, you’ve been playing the game, and you were satisfied with it, right? Until the grass became greener on the otherside you cry tears.

No wait, let’s just have them please only you, and go out of business. You know, due to your demands because you’re the only person that matters, even if your preferences aren’t for the Arcade purest fighting fans(example. so read on).

^You see, Sega tried to please a certain audience(arcade purests), that’s why the game wasn’t originally going to be online.

Do you not see that?

You probably don’t. bottom line -> because you’re only capable of seeing your own point of view, and write everyone else’s off. This is why people are acting this way towards your posts too. You’re under the assumption that your shit doesn’t stink, and that you’re somehow better than everyone else.

In the case of VF5, sure, but you gotta think that not everybody are hardcore fighting gamers. People just want to have fun, and a way for them to have fun is online, we aren’t getting online, and people know that. So a rent is all that they give VF5 and the game is gone 7 days later. Can’t knock that man, it’s how it is.

If everyone’s not a hardcore fighting gamer, then why should they bother adding extra stuff to a game that no one is even going to give a shit about? Adding a feature that they weren’t going to include ANYWAY?

This time around, they probably got paid to do it.

You wouldn’t turn that shit down either. You can’t knock that.

Now understand that yes, it sucks that the PS3 version doesn’t have online. It’s messed up. But maybe they lost you as a fan, but now they’ve probably gained 10 more, and some bank, since then. It’s just how it is.

[System_1]

You wouldn’t turn that shit down either. You can’t knock that.

No, I wouldn’t. Free money, plus a feature deemed impossible to do just because of additional help is too good. In the end, it is better for VF fans, but for those that already bought the game on PS3 will have to deal with no online because the help that they recieved was from MS. If they did it themselves they would have been able to implement it on both systems. So the question turns out to be, why didn’t the find out a way to do this themselves? Obviously MS has the answer, but Sega could have came to a good conclusion too if they weren’t catering to hardcore purists.

[Slide]

No, I wouldn’t. Free money, plus a feature deemed impossible to do just because of additional help is too good. In the end, it is better for VF fans, but for those that already bought the game on PS3 will have to deal with no online because the help that they recieved was from MS. If they did it themselves they would have been able to implement it on both systems. So the question turns out to be, why didn’t the find out a way to do this themselves? Obviously MS has the answer, but Sega could have came to a good conclusion too if they weren’t catering to hardcore purists.

Well, probably because they didn’t have the means or knowhow to do it themselves. Especially since online probably wasn’t their focus. Didn’t they say that they tried it, and they felt that the game wasn’t good enough?

I think feeling the game isn’t going to be good enough for their fans is actually a good testament to how much they probably do care. They want the game to be at it’s best. Looks like MS helped them keep it good or even great, for online play(as far as that standard goes).

Even if they do shun some fan bases and do some retarded stuff(like making VF5 inferior to VF4Evo as far as features and training goes). Some of the stuff probably takes alot of resources(more than we know), and that the feedback just wasn’t good enough for them to go for that again. Especially if it hurts their pockets.
Instead it was probably just better for them to keep it a basic arcade port. In the end when it all comes down to it, ‘Versus’ is all that matters.

Maybe Sega could have come to a good conclusion for the PS3 one.
And hardcore purists are the ones that quite possibly enjoy the game and series the most(who’s to say that hardcore purists are/aren’t on the dev team?), I’m sure Sega knows that, and since they cared so much for that fanbase that’s what happened. Or maybe they just don’t care at all.

[WasFemto]

People STILL think d+P is the answer to everything?! This is fucking sad.

[SaBrE]

wait d+p beats everything? mand maybe if i only did that i woulda done better than 5th at evo north. maybe now i will win for free at vegas?!?!?!?!

this just in, sagat c.fierce beats everything in cvs2, im winning that also…k, thx.

ANYWAYS.

yeah online is gonna be fun, lag or not

[Shadowcuz]

People STILL think d+P is the answer to everything?! This is fucking sad.

2P solves everything

[Bacardi]

I highly doubt that user add ons for ps3 and pc will be the same

[codyk]

Because one wrong move equates to 50-70% of your life.

Coffeesux, I’ll paypal you 20 bucks for a video of you doing a 140 point combo that only requires a single mistake (i.e. non wallhit / techroll)

[The_Granby]

OMG, maybe you don’t seem to get this.

You are making a claim that 2P beats every pattern. Then you back that up by using a move that puts Lion at -15 on block and that you can’t stop 2P after that move.

Well… NO SHIT.

2P is 12 frames so I imagine it would be uninterruptable… in fact anything 15 frames or under uninterruptable, I’m pretty sure that’s how is FOR EVERY FIGHTING GAME ON THE PLANET. If -10 doesn’t mean “10 frame attack or less is guaranteed punishment” then I would be very very very disturbed by that fighting game. I’m pretty sure Tekken and SC should be the same, if not then now I have yet another reason for not playing them.

You made an unsafe move, which means your opponent if they block it successfully get a GUARANTEED attack you fucktard. It’s not different than blocking a wake up Shoryuken from a shoto and then pwning him with a GUARANTEED punishment.

WTF he blocked my dragon punch and now I can’t interrupt his c.forward > super!!! This game goes back and forth too much!!!

If all your opponent does is try to low punch/punch/mid/throw as a retaliation there are tons of ways to beat him and I keep posting real shit and you keep posting pointless shit. How obvious does this sound? Sarah does elbow, you block and try to 2P her and she does delayed knee ender WHICH BEATS you because your 2P came out of block stun and she was still mid string.

You’re whole argument is off because frankly, it’s the same in every fighting game. Every fighting game is technically based off frames because that’s just how they are built, VF just emphasizes frame tight execution.

[KrsJin]

So if this exact argument came from a revered top player, it’s truth. But coming from a random guy like me, its Theory Fighter. Even though the shit that I’m talking about has been fully tested and can be backed up by the frames chart, and actually doing it in practically the same situation out of training mode in arcade and versus. As I said. Lion’s 4,3P on block can be guaranteed down punched every time, no retailation from Lion can be made because he can’t move, his move is not finished. Just goes to show that if you do proper math using the frame chart, and actually test it out in game, you’ll see it’ll work the way the data has it.

Actually, if a “top player” came in here, spitting what you’re saying, I’d STILL question them. And then I’d go onto question just how “top” they really are lol.

[System_1]

ok this is my last post before I stop posting on SRK. This shit is dumb. Seriously. none of you actually have the game to actually test out what’s safe/unsafe and I’m just saying, that the majority of the moves on any command list, are unsafe against 2P on block. I don’t give a damn if you don’t believe me, that’s what I found out to be truth. A character only has about 7-10 useable moves outside of his insanely long movelist. If you find a move to be safe, then you cannot follow up with another attack because you will get interrupted by a good player. Just look at the videos, its all there. There’s a reason why it goes back and forth and people play very cautiously. Because theres no other way it can go. Even if you don’t believe me, I can pull up the frame chart, you can give me your supposed “safe” attack pattern and I’ll show you frame by frame that it can be interrupted. Either way, I’m right and I know I’m right, so I don’t care what any of you has to say really…

Coffeesux, I’ll paypal you 20 bucks for a video of you doing a 140 point combo that only requires a single mistake (i.e. non wallhit / techroll)

Off of any mistake? Man you’re making this too easy. LOL here’s one. [Eileen] 9K, 6P+K, P, 236K,K,K, 8P

Depending on where you did your combo (if it’s about a characters length closer to the wall, by the 2nd K, Eileen will have already pushed the opponent to the wall (or ring out) and it will bounce the opponent off the wall, you hit the last just frame K, once that happens, 8P is unavoidable. Otherwise, just about a characters length away from the wall, you can’t do 8P because it’s techable. Anyways, It does insane damage, I think it’s around 50% I’m not sure, I don’t play this garbage ass game anymore and I only do that juggle in actual combat, so exact life percentages might be off, give or take.

[SaBrE]

coffeerox: your credibility is so low with me cuz of your past with hyping your skills in various games, when in fact, you were not even remotely good. so your credibility here is also massively flawed. i like how your argument went from “fun game, to ‘i dont play this garbage ass game anymore’” way to kill your credibility anymore, which you had none of anyway.

your theory fighter bs is so flawed, its not even funny. playing theory fighter to begin with is a loss at the start. go to a real tourney and place well and talk your shit. cuz until then, your vf knowledge is poo until proven in real matches