Lords of the Fallen developer just announced a new game called The Surge which is a sci fi take on the Souls series. Sounds like a dream comm true…but I’d rather see From Software make it instead lol. Anyone play Lords of the Fallen? I never got it, but it seemed like a decent arcadey Dark Souls clone.
I’m kinda tired of hearing about games that are “like Souls.” Why play that when I can just play an actual Souls game? If your selling point is “it’s like this other game,” I’m not interested.
Shut up
Aside from a few specific exceptions, I very much agree. I’m not very interested in your game if you’re just aping another game. Lords of the Fallen isn’t bad, but it’s no Souls game as much as it would like to be.
I give a pass to Salt and Sanctuary cuz it’s trying the Souls thing in 2D and looks to be getting it right while still doing a VERY good job of being it’s own thing. And I give a pass to Necropolis because they really only site Souls as an influence, the game is doing a lot of stuff that is very much it’s own thing.
With that said I’ll at least give that sci fi game a look because everyone deserves at least a look.
Do you even read what you post or do you spew stupid shit without thinking?
I don’t see what is so stupid about that comment. Back in the day I quickly lost interest in most stealth games because they where just poor mans Metal Gear games. A lot of these Souls take games are feeling the same way, Lords of the Fallen certainly did.
"It’s like Mega Man, except you’ll never get to play it! Give us more money!"
Do you?
I’m so glad there are at least some Destiny players that are as annoyed by Bungie’s lies about the in-game universe and story.
To be honest, I almost don’t even want to play the game at all because of all this shit. Taken King may finally be a full Destiny experience, but fuck that.
Shut up
What the FUCK just happened?
That is because we like it or not, describing a game as like Souls is easier to describe what kind of gameplay elements you can expect from the game.
Is like when fps’s where describid as doom/quake like instead of fps’s, or the sandbox games as gta clones.
Sorry but imo complaining because developers are giving us options is stupid, specially when the same people complain later that there are not new ip’s
LMAO, at least is clear that you don’t because thinking is beyond your stupid sorry ass capabilities, bitch nigga. Now go cry about being offtopic’ed like the baby you are to another place.
Ok yeah, I was already leaning towards it, but I am definitely sold on the Mario Maker Madness™ at this point. I MUST have that game.
*Note–apparently the level cannot actually be impossible…it has to be possible before it can be shared/uploaded or whatever. To me, this is shaping up to be the ultimate Super Mario game. I’d love to see people’s reactions to the hellish things I could come up with.
Tyrone is like the YouTube jinchuriki, nigga just opens his mouth with knee jerk reactionary posts without reading what he’s reacting to. Going with his logic there’s no reason to play Bayonetta if you played DMC, there’s no reason to play Resident Evil if you played Alone in the Dark, I mean does he know how many games The Legend of Zelda influenced?
@crotchpuncha what you’re saying and what PA is saying are not the same thing lol. He’s saying if a game is “like” another game AKA influenced or inspired by a previous work than its pointless to play it and you’re saying if a game is a straight up ripoff of another game than it’s pointless to play it I think everyone can agree with you, but not him. Take Necropolis and EITR for example, both games clearly have the fundamental design philopshy of the Souls series yet are still completely different from the Souls series and each other, and the 3 would never be mistaken for each other.
I can’t speak for Lords of the Fallen as I haven’t played it, but the article PA is responding to even says this new game will be influenced by Souls but also add its own new ideas and mechanics, yet before we even see a trailer he’s lazily labeling it as a Souls clone.
My biggest problem with it is that what makes Souls great is the combat in combination with the enemies, level design, and also separately, the art design. Like, if you don’t have all of those backing it up, the combat is not super great. It’s not bad, it’s definitely solid, but Souls is one of those things that is far greater than the sum of it’s parts.
Just having Souls-like combat and tacking a rogue-like or Diablo on top of that is not anywhere near enough to be interesting on it’s own. Granted, some of those games may turn out to actually be quite good once you actually play it, but then people suck at actually talking about these things, and people suck at analyzing what various systems or design choices will actually mean when taken all together as a whole experience.
This has to be the most retarded, biased thing you’ve ever said. Maybe it’s that he can read and you can’t, but we’re saying the exact same thing. He took what I said and clarified it because Hecatom caught feelings. YOU took what I said and twisted it into something you can disagree with. You’re just sucking dick because I said it and you don’t want to agree with something I said. Lol… you really tried to force a difference when there isn’t one.
Sad.
PA doesn’t complain about a lack of new ips. Calling old FPS games Doom/Quake like did a lot of FPS’s a disservice because it failed to accurately describe them. Also a lot of those games where a lot like DOOM and Quake where cheap knock offs and not very good. It’s the same problem with the Metroidvania label, it doesn’t actually tell you much because it’s ascribed to such a wide verity of 2D games that have free exploration in them.
Besides that’s not what PA was commenting on anyway he was commenting on games that are specifically trying to be Souls games, which Lords of the Fallen was doing, and it did it poorly. There is reason to be cautious about this stuff because people are going to do it because it sells and not because they understand what actually makes those games sell. I go back to all the crappy stealth knock offs that sprung up after Metal Gear Solid came out that no one remembers because they where crappy games trying to cash in on the big new thing. Or all the crappy open world GTA knock offs like Streets of L.A. right after GTA3 and Vice City came out.
If you can take the Souls formula and do something with it that is clearly your own take then great, I doubt PA has a problem with that, I certainly don’t, but if you’re only doing it because that style of gameplay is the hot thing right now, a trend that has been going on since the dawn of gaming, then fuck off, I’m not interested.
Yes they are the same.
Because their previous game was a meh Souls clone, it’s not hard to take the studios previous history into account.
Thank you.
To make one thing clear, though, I did complain about a lack of new IPs and sequels at one point. It was in response to the flood of remasters coming out on the PS4 and XB1 despite their already shallow libraries. I haven’t lately, but it did concern me.
Those were valid complaints, however. They do not contradict my dislike for games that try to sell themselves as clones. Hecatom calls it “giving us options.” In a way, he’s right. If you don’t want to play a Souls game, you can play this game that’s like a Souls game but not a Souls game and not as good or enthralling. Options, right? Look at all the Monster Hunter clones getting released… How many of them hold a candle to the original? None. How many make you wish you were playing an actual MH game? All of them. That’s why I no longer care for games that try to be other games. They’re never as good, and offer an empty experience once you look past the parts they tried to emulate.
Ok I forgot about the complaints about the remasters tho that’s less complaining about a lack of new IPs and more a complaint about releasing already released products, but yea I forgot about that.
I like Soul Sacrifice Delta more then MH, but I don’t have a ton of experience with the MH series anyway so I’m not a very good person to talk to about it.
And surprising no one PA goes again with his idiotic train of thought were if he doesn’t like something he thinks that is bad then.
The same way that you can make a case that some games don’t hold the candle against the games they draw inspiration you can also make the case of games improving on those who came first to them.
Options are never a bad thing, not everyone would be interested on playing Dark Souls II because x or y reason but would be more interested on trying a game like Lord of the Fallen for z or w reason.
Soul Sacrifice is one of the exceptions, like you mentioned. It uses the MH formula, but really came into its own. It managed to take that style and do something different. When I play Soul Sacrifice, I don’t see a MH clone at all. I see Soul Sacrifice, and that’s because it didn’t try to copy/paste and fail like Ragnarok Odyssey did.
A lot of the MH clones don’t succeed at emulating what it is that actually makes those games good. It’s like @Gasaraki said: they take a few parts, but don’t paint the full picture. Ok, you have large zones with monsters to hunt, but where’s the customization? Where are the various weapon types and armor sets? Why can’t I take monster parts and craft equipment? Why does everything look the same? Why’s the combat so shallow? Why aren’t the monsters as dynamic as they are in MH? It’s things like that that make you go “fuck this, I’ll just play a real MH game.”
You don’t actually read, do you? You claim I think “if I don’t like it, it’s bad” but you don’t agree with my stance so you refuse to attempt to understand where I’m coming from. You just twist my words and ignore what I’m trying to say because you can’t handle disagreement. I also like how it’s fine when other people say it, but you continue to come at MY head. I expect nothing less from the man who calls people cheap for not buying things they don’t think are worth their money.
Anyway, Options aren’t a bad thing and people might favor a Lords of the Fallen to Dark Souls. However, when all that game has going for it is “it’s like Dark Souls but not as good,” what’s going to draw them in? What is it about that game that’s unique? Just because you’ll take anything that’s thrown I front of you doesn’t mean I have to.