Video Game General 2.0: Yo Dawg I Heard You Like Remasters And Ports

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

Visual Novels can be good but I don’t think they should be called games.

So you’re saying Ace Attorney shouldn’t be called a game?

Calling Ace Attorney anything less than a full blown game is blasphemy. The two I’ve played are pretty much Demon’s Souls for the brain. Not counting the warmup cases, I’ve only managed to beat 1 case without needing a walkthrough near the end.

Maxmillion Galactica can suck my dick. I hope I never have to defend him again.

…Ace Attorney is certainly not Demon’s Souls for the brain. Sure it can be tricky, but nothing ridiculous that doesn’t require some thought. Biggest problem was probably Case 5 in AA1 because you had to rely on a rule that you only learned of a short time ago and it’s hard to PROPERLY use the rule and failing that part leads to a Bad End.

No it does some pretty fucked up shit that most wont get on the first try unless by accident. I mean seriously I had to prove a murder theory without a murder weapon, and then claim that the weapon was hidden in the court room with the handicapped guy? Really? I never understood how I was supposed to derive that whole conclusion from ANY of the evidence that was gathered beforehand. That whole case wasnt even tricky. It was plain wrong. Dont forget the whole ending case of JFA. The case itself was easy to figure out, but the problem is they made you drag it out like 3 times longer than it needed to be on the smallest shit imaginable.

Well the thing is most of the REALLY hard crap was due to unfortunate things. Like having to guess at things with no foreshadowing or prior knowledge and so on. That’s more along the lines of fake difficulty. And the case you’re talking about initially…wasn’t that terribly hard. Especially that theory, that one was relatively easy to figure out. The issue with that case was everyone was so…fucking…annoying (there’s a reason that when the Big Berry Circus returns in AAI2, a grand total of ONE character…and one animal, return from JFA).

And the ending case of JFA was fine. Hell, it’s often considered one of the best if not THE best case in the entire series (ironic since it came from the worst game). The drama didn’t rely on difficulty and figuring the case out, it came from the context of what was going down.

If you think JFA Case 4 is long though, boy you have not played AAI’s Turnabout Ablaze. That shit will have you head banging within five seconds.

I mean I liked the case, but jesus christ I hated having to drag ass the whole time. All it did was drag it out because they didnt feel like doing a 5th case.

[GomuGomu]

Feels good to once in a while play those games that allow you to kick back and relax rather than mash buttons constantly. It’s a nice balance.

[crotchpuncha]

Am I the only one that still likes to play games where you push buttons, to kill shit dead;
Instead of wandering around, talking to people about their shitty lives, while a shitty story unfolds, avoiding conflict because I can’t defend myself in order to tell said shitty story, when I could have just read a book or watched a movie instead?

Yeah, I thought so… Come on October… Give me my action games, dammit.

Jesus Christ shut the fuck up Po. No you’re not the only one who still likes to push buttons. But games also don’t fall into just your narrow view of what is and isnt a game. Text adventure style games like the TellTale games have been around looooooong as fuck. Just stop man.

Ever since the DmC shit youve turned into the most annoying mother fucker, so high up your ivory tower I suspect its been jammed up your ass. Saying stupid as fuck bullshit like if wasnt for you, the oh so special and almighty you the only thing people would talk about is FF games and related bullshit. Get off your fucking high horse and join us back down here on earth please. Not every conversation around here needs to revolve around only the things you like dude.

You where right with the Cranky Kong comparison, and you where also right about how god damn sad that is. Stop being such a fucking stick in the mud dude. You’re not even enjoyable to have around anymore dude, all you do is whine and cry like a fucking bitch.

[drwill439]

Am I the only one that still likes to play games where you push buttons, to kill shit dead;
Instead of wandering around, talking to people about their shitty lives, while a shitty story unfolds, avoiding conflict because I can’t defend myself in order to tell said shitty story, when I could have just read a book or watched a movie instead?

Yeah, I thought so… Come on October… Give me my action games, dammit.

Jesus Christ shut the fuck up Po. No you’re not the only one who still likes to push buttons. But games also don’t fall into just your narrow view of what is and isnt a game. Text adventure style games like the TellTale games have been around looooooong as fuck. Just stop man.

Ever since the DmC shit youve turned into the most annoying mother fucker, so high up your ivory tower I suspect its been jammed up your ass. Saying stupid as fuck bullshit like if wasnt for you, the oh so special and almighty you the only thing people would talk about is FF games and related bullshit. Get off your fucking high horse and join us back down here on earth please. Not every conversation around here needs to revolve around only the things you like dude.

Welp.

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

Am I the only one that still likes to play games where you push buttons, to kill shit dead;
Instead of wandering around, talking to people about their shitty lives, while a shitty story unfolds, avoiding conflict because I can’t defend myself in order to tell said shitty story, when I could have just read a book or watched a movie instead?

Yeah, I thought so… Come on October… Give me my action games, dammit.

Jesus Christ shut the fuck up Po. No you’re not the only one who still likes to push buttons. But games also don’t fall into just your narrow view of what is and isnt a game. Text adventure style games like the TellTale games have been around looooooong as fuck. Just stop man.

Ever since the DmC shit youve turned into the most annoying mother fucker, so high up your ivory tower I suspect its been jammed up your ass. Saying stupid as fuck bullshit like if wasnt for you, the oh so special and almighty you the only thing people would talk about is FF games and related bullshit. Get off your fucking high horse and join us back down here on earth please. Not every conversation around here needs to revolve around only the things you like dude.

You where right with the Cranky Kong comparison, and you where also right about how god damn sad that is. Stop being such a fucking stick in the mud dude. You’re not even enjoyable to have around anymore dude, all you do is whine and cry like a fucking bitch.

Though I’ve voiced my opinion on it before.

[crotchpuncha]

Well I don’t mean to be a dick head, but it’s getting old. All he does is complain, like I don’t even know what he’s been playing lately he never talks about what he plays anymore, just how pissed off he is at what everyone else is playing.

Do you even fucking game at all anymore Po? What have you been playing man?

[Darksakul]

I sware some of you guys are dumb as fuck.

Visual Novels can be good but I don’t think they should be called games.

So you’re saying Ace Attorney shouldn’t be called a game?

Obviously you never seen an actual visual novel

Ace Attorney is far from a Visual Novel. You actually have to “DO STUFF” to advance the story.
You got more than just menu interaction, you go around and search around.

You got plenty of choices and exploration.

Not a good analogy but,Ace Attorney games are more like a turn based RPG minus the battle segments and more word/logic puzzles

Visual Novels can be good but I don’t think they should be called games.

Why? Because it’s still pics + interactive menus?

Games from the likes of Telltale are no different from Otome Dating Hentai Sim #9002; only animation and some parts where you point the cursor to kill somebody.

Point and Click don’t equal visual novels.

Point and Click games still allow for a degree of exploration, choice and even multiple outcomes.
Monkey Island, Sam and Max, the Strong Bad Games, Shadow Gate, Deja Vu, Day of the Tentacle and Kings Quest as much more exploration, choices and options than visual Novels are.

A Visual Novel is like one of those Choose-your-own-adventure books in a electronic format.

[drwill439]

Phoenix Wright games easily fall under the Point and Click genre, which is often times still placed under adventure.

[Saitsu]

Visual Novels can be good but I don’t think they should be called games.

So you’re saying Ace Attorney shouldn’t be called a game?

Calling Ace Attorney anything less than a full blown game is blasphemy. The two I’ve played are pretty much Demon’s Souls for the brain. Not counting the warmup cases, I’ve only managed to beat 1 case without needing a walkthrough near the end.

Maxmillion Galactica can suck my dick. I hope I never have to defend him again.

…Ace Attorney is certainly not Demon’s Souls for the brain. Sure it can be tricky, but nothing ridiculous that doesn’t require some thought. Biggest problem was probably Case 5 in AA1 because you had to rely on a rule that you only learned of a short time ago and it’s hard to PROPERLY use the rule and failing that part leads to a Bad End.

No it does some pretty fucked up shit that most wont get on the first try unless by accident. I mean seriously I had to prove a murder theory without a murder weapon, and then claim that the weapon was hidden in the court room with the handicapped guy? Really? I never understood how I was supposed to derive that whole conclusion from ANY of the evidence that was gathered beforehand. That whole case wasnt even tricky. It was plain wrong. Dont forget the whole ending case of JFA. The case itself was easy to figure out, but the problem is they made you drag it out like 3 times longer than it needed to be on the smallest shit imaginable.

Well the thing is most of the REALLY hard crap was due to unfortunate things. Like having to guess at things with no foreshadowing or prior knowledge and so on. That’s more along the lines of fake difficulty. And the case you’re talking about initially…wasn’t that terribly hard. Especially that theory, that one was relatively easy to figure out. The issue with that case was everyone was so…fucking…annoying (there’s a reason that when the Big Berry Circus returns in AAI2, a grand total of ONE character…and one animal, return from JFA).

And the ending case of JFA was fine. Hell, it’s often considered one of the best if not THE best case in the entire series (ironic since it came from the worst game). The drama didn’t rely on difficulty and figuring the case out, it came from the context of what was going down.

If you think JFA Case 4 is long though, boy you have not played AAI’s Turnabout Ablaze. That shit will have you head banging within five seconds.

I mean I liked the case, but jesus christ I hated having to drag ass the whole time. All it did was drag it out because they didnt feel like doing a 5th case.

Well again, JFA is definitely the worst game in the series. If you can make it through it, you got the superb Trials and Tribulations. Apollo Justice tends to fight for worst game spot but it’s enjoyable (plus a lot of the bleakness of the context of the game was immediately dealt with in Dual Destinies). Dual Destinies is a solid return for the franchise, though honestly way too easy for an AA game. Ace Attorney Investigations was meh, especially Turnabout Ablaze. AAI2 is superb.

[po_pimpus]

Do you even fucking game at all anymore Po? What have you been playing man?

Azure Striker Gunvolt recently… and I’ll probably go missing come October from the Smash 3DS and Bayonetta 2 double-header.

[Lord_Raptor]

Am I the only one that still likes to play games where you push buttons, to kill shit dead;
Instead of wandering around, talking to people about their shitty lives, while a shitty story unfolds, avoiding conflict because I can’t defend myself in order to tell said shitty story, when I could have just read a book or watched a movie instead?

Yeah, I thought so… Come on October… Give me my action games, dammit.

Jesus Christ shut the fuck up Po. No you’re not the only one who still likes to push buttons. But games also don’t fall into just your narrow view of what is and isnt a game. Text adventure style games like the TellTale games have been around looooooong as fuck. Just stop man.

Ever since the DmC shit youve turned into the most annoying mother fucker, so high up your ivory tower I suspect its been jammed up your ass. Saying stupid as fuck bullshit like if wasnt for you, the oh so special and almighty you the only thing people would talk about is FF games and related bullshit. Get off your fucking high horse and join us back down here on earth please. Not every conversation around here needs to revolve around only the things you like dude.

You where right with the Cranky Kong comparison, and you where also right about how god damn sad that is. Stop being such a fucking stick in the mud dude. You’re not even enjoyable to have around anymore dude, all you do is whine and cry like a fucking bitch.

[crotchpuncha]

Do you even fucking game at all anymore Po? What have you been playing man?

Azure Striker Gunvolt recently… and I’ll probably go missing come October from the Smash 3DS and Bayonetta 2 double-header.

How is it? Is it good? How much lik MMZ is it? The videos reminded me of MMZ. I wish I had a 3DS so I could play it, I’m still stuck here twiddling my thumbs waiting for M#9. Shit I’m half way through ANOTHER Dark Souls 1 build lol.

[Hawkingbird]

Look, I just want to feel like I have a direct impact on the game and its results. I want to be a participant, not a spectator.

I abhor long cutscenes and an over-reliance on voice acting and set-pieces to do things that I could(and should) be directly engaging in and experiencing.

I just want to punch niggas in the face… Not watching my character punch niggas in the face.

The Walking Dead doesn’t suffer from that so what’s the problem here?

[po_pimpus]

I really like Gunvolt. It’s similar, but totally different from MMZ…

For one, the “Prevasion” technique completely breaks the way you’re meant to play the game by making you essentially invincible so long as you have meter and are standing still-- You can get hit, activate Prevasion, and either kill the enemy or restore your meter and do it again due to the invincibility frames.

I don’t abuse it, as the game really wants you to move as quickly as possible from point A to B while taking as little damage as possible, but it’s there.

It’s a fun ass game, and the bonus Mighty Gunvolt is really cool… It’s a nice love-letter to old-school 8-bit platformers, and you get to play as Beck from MNo.9, so there’s that.

[drwill439]

Look, I just want to feel like I have a direct impact on the game and its results. I want to be a participant, not a spectator.

I abhor long cutscenes and an over-reliance on voice acting and set-pieces to do things that I could(and should) be directly engaging in and experiencing.

I just want to punch niggas in the face… Not watching my character punch niggas in the face.

The Walking Dead doesn’t suffer from that so what’s the problem here?

I had this same difference in opinion with Sonicabid about why JRPG’s are still great games. You don’t have to be in control of everything to have a good time. If you don’t want anything to do with something, don’t involve yourself with that thing. Disrupting a conversation to have your 2 cents on why something isn’t the best because you don’t agree with it is unnecessary.

[crotchpuncha]

I really like Gunvolt. It’s similar, but totally different from MMZ…

For one, the “Prevasion” technique completely breaks the way you’re meant to play the game by making you essentially invincible so long as you have meter and are standing still-- You can get hit, activate Prevasion, and either kill the enemy or restore your meter and do it again due to the invincibility frames.

I don’t abuse it, as the game really wants you to move as quickly as possible from point A to B while taking as little damage as possible, but it’s there.

It’s a fun ass game, and the bonus Mighty Gunvolt is really cool… It’s a nice love-letter to old-school 8-bit platformers, and you get to play as Beck from MNo.9, so there’s that.

How does that system work? Sounds hella abusable. Is it on a meter? If so how do you fill it?

Might Gunvolt looked really cool, got dat Megaman Swag.

[Phantom_Angel]

Do you even fucking game at all anymore Po? What have you been playing man?

Azure Striker Gunvolt recently… and I’ll probably go missing come October from the Smash 3DS and Bayonetta 2 double-header.

Still waiting for you to see me in P4A…

[Jack_Frost]

po responded better than I thought

[po_pimpus]

I really like Gunvolt. It’s similar, but totally different from MMZ…

For one, the “Prevasion” technique completely breaks the way you’re meant to play the game by making you essentially invincible so long as you have meter and are standing still-- You can get hit, activate Prevasion, and either kill the enemy or restore your meter and do it again due to the invincibility frames.

I don’t abuse it, as the game really wants you to move as quickly as possible from point A to B while taking as little damage as possible, but it’s there.

It’s a fun ass game, and the bonus Mighty Gunvolt is really cool… It’s a nice love-letter to old-school 8-bit platformers, and you get to play as Beck from MNo.9, so there’s that.

How does that system work? Sounds hella abusable. Is it on a meter? If so how do you fill it?

Might Gunvolt looked really cool, got dat Megaman Swag.

Yeah, Gunvolt’s meter is used for his electrical attacks. When you hit enemies with your projectiles, they become “tagged” and can be zapped using GV’s electricity… This same meter is used for the Prevasion technique.

Prevasion uses a lot of meter, but as I said, the invincibility frames last for so long, you can refill your meter(by pressing Down twice on the pad), or kill the enemy you just Prevasion’d against. It’s really damn broken… I made a vow to myself to not abuse this tech as it really makes every opponent a joke basically.

[crotchpuncha]

I really like Gunvolt. It’s similar, but totally different from MMZ…

For one, the “Prevasion” technique completely breaks the way you’re meant to play the game by making you essentially invincible so long as you have meter and are standing still-- You can get hit, activate Prevasion, and either kill the enemy or restore your meter and do it again due to the invincibility frames.

I don’t abuse it, as the game really wants you to move as quickly as possible from point A to B while taking as little damage as possible, but it’s there.

It’s a fun ass game, and the bonus Mighty Gunvolt is really cool… It’s a nice love-letter to old-school 8-bit platformers, and you get to play as Beck from MNo.9, so there’s that.

How does that system work? Sounds hella abusable. Is it on a meter? If so how do you fill it?

Might Gunvolt looked really cool, got dat Megaman Swag.

Yeah, Gunvolt’s meter is used for his electrical attacks. When you hit enemies with your projectiles, they become “tagged” and can be zapped using GV’s electricity… This same meter is used for the Prevasion technique.

Prevasion uses a lot of meter, but as I said, the invincibility frames last for so long, you can refill your meter(by pressing Down twice on the pad), or kill the enemy you just Prevasion’d against. It’s really damn broken… I made a vow to myself to not abuse this tech as it really makes every opponent a joke basically.

That’s too bad it’s so abusable. It seems like M#9 might have this problem to with how the dash mechanic fills up an E-Tank type thing in the pause menu that refills your health. I’m hoping it only works this way, or only refills that E-Tank so fast because it’s the Beta Demo and will be better tuned in the final product. I’m capable of ignoring it myself, done it plenty of times in other games, but i prefer to just not have it be so damn broken to begin with hehe.