So yeah, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I realize that I didn’t specify AA, but if you prep it right, ST as AA is fine. The only way for it to lose if you’re doing it right is if your opponent throws an air attack out as soon as he jumps. There is no prediction involved, if you have the charge and you see it, you can do it. Also, ST juggle does between 170-210 dmg depending on which follow-up ST you decide to use. Go to training mode and look.
Vega’s poke game gives him a lot of meter (assuming you do it right), and you’re not using it for super or fadc, so you have a lot of meter. It’s your choice to waste it on random EX FBA (which aren’t safe; stop thinking an EX FBA on block is safe) and EX SHC shenanigans . Also, wtf is this about jump-ins? Why are you showing me that? Why are you jumping? I’m talking about ground punishes. Cosmic Heel -> ST does around 25% hp dmg on most characters. I don’t need to see what he does for damage off of a jump-in.
I left this board months ago, yet I come back to see people are still complaining about Vega’s problems with pressure. Keep the opponent out, use the gaps during pressure to escape (and there will always be gaps unless the opponent keeps going for throws). Stop complaining about having no invincible reversals. Vega has tools to keep most characters out all day. Find out what they are and use them.
Yeah, and keeping opponents out doesn’t win games. If you can win by keeping them out, you can win more consistently and efficiently by attacking them smartly and zoning them into a position where you can rape em. And you aren’t playing players that simply wont attack or move forward if you’re not willing to, you aren’t playing players that think. From your first post regarding CH, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
I swear those that dont play Vega should shut the fuck up about his nerfs or buffs, because its obvious they dont know what the fuck they are talking about and make themselves look beyond stupid.
You’re a little late to the party with the “whiny bitches” accusation. How about instead, you realize that an opinion differing from yours can have merit wether you like it or not.
And where else on this forum are you seing people bitching? If I rephrase your question in a reasonable way:
“Why are people so unhappy in this thread?”
Oh, it’s because one of Vega’s best tools, which was essentially safe and a feasible way to start frame traps and mixups, is becoming much less effective. Maybe you’re someone who beats all your friends so you think Vega is god tier, but for most of us it’s kind of a big deal.
No problem. Just continue to under-utilize Vega’s tools so Capcom doesn’t nerf him past giving CH 1 or 2 more frames of recovery, and we’ll be fine. =D
Trying to jump on a low strong, getting impatient in the corner or during footsies, trying to beat your air-to-air AA attempt and risking the jump, thinking you don’t have enough charge for an early ST and jumping, etc. You don’t have to be seen holding down-back to charge ST. Poking and immediately charging works pretty well.
Uhh… what about characters that have good pokes frame traps… and not to mention easy combos that do good damage, good ultras that do good damage and can be easily still be combod into and STILL HAVE A CROSSUP…
To you his pokes and his other stuff (what ever they are) don’t warrent a cross up… that’s fine…
But there are tons of characters in the game anybody can argue that their cross up is unwarranted.
The fact that so many characters have so many different good “tools” and still have a cross up… i think is enough to warrant vega one.
It isn’t fair that vega has to put up with so much bs and not have a cross up while other characters have the luxury of having good pokes/ normal, specials, ultras while still having a cross up.
trust me dont waste your time with said example. They will just read it and say he doesnt need it blah, blah, blah. They like a “challenge”, hence they are fine with the CH nerf. Although a better arguement for not having a cross up would have been
well he hasnt had one in previous games. Since a lot of these characters are based on their SF2 incarnations. Or Duey’s example. Although Duey’s example is no longer valid because Vega’s ground game is now limited thanks to CH nerf.
I wish Vega had a cross up for triangle jumping so bad. Hell, I can do without a regular cross up, but damn it I wish Vega had a unique move that only worked after triangle jumping (kinda like El fuerte has some moves that he can’t execute on a normal jump but he can on a triangle jump).
This would give Vega the ability to escape the corner and would add to his mobility. His current triangle jump is useless… since you can’t stick a normal out and put it over your opponent’s head to control the space and put them in block stun long enough to land safely and be at the very least neutral. In its current state triangle jumping is a free punish for your opponent, and even if you do manage to land, you WILL be at frame disadvantage.
you think Vega doesn’t do good damage? You, sir. Are about as insane as you’re claiming me to be.
And you all seem to be missing the point here that I’m talking about CURRENT VEGA NOT NEEDING A CROSSUP because he has the tool he needs.
Without CH, yeah, sure, he might have a BIT of use for one. But at present? Nah.
Simply put, he does enough damage without one. Hell, you can say other characters have crossups that do them a lot of damage. Let’s take Mr.Crossup happy Bison. His crossup combos actually do MINISCULE damage in comparison to what damage a crossup with Vega could do.
His j.mk, cr.lk x 3 Scissors for example. It does something like 190 at best.
Vega, let’s say his j.HP was a VIABLE crossup that hit 100%. You do realise you can quite easily hit 381 damage off that?
Characters that generall have a crossup do not have a massive amount of damage to go with it unless they want to get FADC happy and use a lot of meter.
Also, frame traps. Vega has plenty, if frame traps determined how good a character was in this game. Vega would be better than you’re making him out to be.
And now I’m looking at it from a damage perspective. Eventhough CH nerf wasn’t warrented. For fuck sake, just suck it up, deal with it. You dealt with vanilla Vega, why is it so hard for you to adapt now?