Wow, well, first of all thank you guys for all being so helpful once again.
Why is a stick so good or whatever, like I don’t get it, at tourney’s do people use sticks? I would love to get one, but if I wanted to play with my friends, I would want them to have the same control setup (otherwise they’d john, that means make excuses, I don’t know if that’s a general term, or just a smash term) and I can’t afford two. Are there any cheap ones?
The combos I want to do, can I do them on GC controllers? Would it be easier on a classic controller or a stick, if so, how much easier and why?
How long is it going to take me to be able to learn and execute these combos easily I’m asking about, assuming I’m using a GC controller.
sticks are more accurate, since in 2D fighters, u don’t just go: up punch, down punch, you have to put in commands into the movement then press a button. also, most Capocom 2D fighters r 6 buttons, so when trying to hit one button than another with ur thumb, or trying to hit shoulder pads, it’s making it harder on yourself when you could simply use your index/middle/ring finger to hit any of the 6. TvC is only 4 buttons, and the one time I played at EVO, most ppl had the partner button set for their thumb.
anyways, you don’t HAVE to get a wii stick, but it’ll be the best buy for price+quality (ps2 ones are much more expensive even though hori makes both), unless you think you might be interested in some other fighters in the future. for ex. buy a wii stick for $50, dont think they have any wii to 360/Ps3 adapters, so ur stuck [unless you got it modded?]. However, if you have a ps3, you invest maybe a bit more for a PS2 stick online, get yourself a cheap converter, you can use your stick for wii, ps3, and ps2 games.
if you decide to get a wii one, get one from hori or the madcatz one that’ll prolly be released around when the game comes out. there’s currently one out (besides the hori) from some other company, and although it’s aesthetically-pleasing, i’ve heard it’s crap. not to mention it’s not from a company as respectable as the 2 aforementioned.
learning and getting used to using the stick normally would take anywhere from a month to a few months, but since this game only has four buttons, you can dash with some of the buttons, supers are two buttons i think, ect. ect., u’ll prolly start feeling somewhat comfortable within a month if you play everyday/almost everyday. a small word of advice - no matter whoever you decide you want to use as your main characters to play ppl with, make sure your execution is top notch before trying to move on to more complex things. like, be certain you won’t mess up a move. practice everything you want to try in a real match in training mode until you have it down, and once you start getting the hang of it, use every loss as a lesson to learn from. if you notice anything seeming sloppy when you’re playing ppl, don’t hesitate to hit up training mode and just get all your stuff down.
btw, i noticed a keits vid posted. watch these 2:
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None available online, but Gamestop lists them as around $40 US, which is about what I paid for mine, accounting for conversions and whatnot.
People at FG tournaments pretty much all use sticks. People who use pads are usually scrubby, and, when they’re not, are always an oddity. A stick allows you a lot more precision in your input. A Japanese style square gate one like the wii hori or pretty much most modern console sticks, lets you hit your diagonals way more accurately, making for better DPs and just more accuracy overall. The real place it will help though is with your button presses. You won’t have to mash your thumb over multiple buttons, you won’t have to map shortcuts for multiple presses (generally fronwned upon, although not always banned), it’ll be way easier for you to go through combos without having to quickly move your thumb from button to button to button, all while trying to maintain the correct timing. Not to mention the fact that there are still occasional arcade machine tournaments, at which, you’d better know how to use a stick.
Roll combos should be fine. She has short combos that are generally fairly lenient on execution, although even she has a few advanced techniques that would be basically impossible on a pad without some shortcuts, such as an instant overhead j.A, BBQ, 236C into wallbounce, sweep.
Again, if you’re just going to play with your friends, you don’t really need it. If you want to start taking fighting games more seriously, you should seriously consider it.
Well first off, who do you think your partner will be? That’s probably an important question here.
EDIT: Also, yes, to answer your question. I play on a stick. I live in Japan and all the tournaments I’ve ever been to are arcade tournaments. So basically, apart from me just doing better on a stick, it’s a necessity. I have two of them for when people come over.
My partner will be Casshern, are these combos going to be diffficult to execute on a GC controller or take forever to learn? Cool, japan, that’s sick, I’m from San Fransisco. Is a classic controller worth buying until the mad catz shit comes out or whatever?
You should be able to execute most combos easilly with the classic controller. I know I do. a stick is really a thing of preference. It is technically the ‘better’ way to play fighting games, but it doesn’t work for some people. I can’t handle a stick effectively to save my life, so that’s why I use a pad.
Casshern/Roll you should be ok on a pad, you should be able to get most of their basic setups and combos within a couple weeks or so I’d guess, assuming you’re not too familiar with traditional FGs. Casshern’s combos are relatively slow moving, and roll’s are just downright simple. If you ever think about picking up, say, megaman, or yatterman though, you basically need a stick.
The thing about Yatterman is that he needs LOTS of 623 motions, which are kind of hard to do on anything but a stick.
I can’t do his infinite, but I’m good enough with a pad to be able to do that movement easily. However, it’s still not easy to make the best of him on a pad. Your thumbs get sore due to how technical he is and how fast his combos go. Megaman is pretty similar in that regard.
I see, I think I’ll get a stick when the game comes out in america maybe. Who else like Roll is playable with a pad? Also, a quick tangent, regarding the stick, would it be helpful if I wanted to get (download) guilty gear for wii, what’s GG like, anything like TvC or Smash, would I like it? One of my friends who’s into Street Fighter says it’s not that cool… is it worth getting?
DPs aren’t hard to do on a pad, at all (at least with the CC). The problem is the way you need to do them for Yatterman’s infinite/big combos, but not the DP itself.
Guilty gear is more like TvC and less like Street Fighter. Street Fighter = simple combos and limited mobility. Guilty Gear has long combos, lots of mobility and plenty of characters who have very strange and unusual play styles wheras Street Fighter is mostly uniform. Either way it’s still nothing like Smash, which is in a totally different league to most ‘traditional’ fighters. Personally I cannot stand Street Fighter and would rather have GG any day.
By the way guys, he is not talking about piracy. You can download GG legally through the Wii’s virtual console…I think.