Vampire Savior: What did the game need to balance it better?

[Chipp_Zanuff_v5]

Yeah, it only needs two stocks. Now you just have to find someone retarded enough to let you pull that combo off on them. I remember the very first day I played Vampire Savior, I thought his Dark Force was bad-ass, but now I realize that it’s probably the most worthless, most dangerous Dark Force to use in the whole game…not to mention that any combo ending with the nunchucks is unsafe.

Anyways, I think the game is really well-balanced, but like most games, there’s always room to make it better.

If someone honestly tells me that there are certain low tier characters that couldn’t use ANYTHING else (Anakaris not having push blocks? Jedah having no way of knocking down besides throw or Guard Cancel?), and top tier characters are also just fine (Sas’s crazy high/low game, Rapter’s crazy everything, Talbain’s braindead game)…well, I’d have to respectfully disagree. …Entirely.

Sure, the game is very well-balanced. But, like most well-balanced games, there’s always room for improvement. Sure, ST is probably one of the most balanced games of all time…but try and tell me that you feel great about playing Fei Long vs E.Honda. Good luck.

In my experience, if anything is the problem with Vampire Savior, it’s that it’s surprisingly uncomplex when you reach the higher levels of play. The only thing really crazy about the game is the speed and execution (which you can supercede almost entirely by playing Talbain - that’s what I did!), and a lot less about mindgames.

Don’t get the wrong idea - I love the game - but it’s more flawed than people make it out to be, I think.

There is no such thing as the perfect game obviously. Vampire savior is WAY better then i think your giving credit for. Is it better than ST? Probably not. But vampire is better than 90% of the garbage that has been put out in the last 7-8 years collectively. I’ve played some of the best in this game over in japan and at higher level, I completely disagree with what you said about the game about it being less complex. IMO the game becomes far more complex then at mid level play. I think anyone who has had my experience will probably agree with me.

As far as tiers are concerned. When the game has the lowest tier able to win tournaments on a semi regular basis. You know that the game is pretty fucking balanced. But hell, Dont take my word for it. Play the game for yourselves. This game is highly underrated under the great scope of competitive games as it is easily one of the best. Which is very unfortunate i think

[RushedDown]

There is no such thing as the perfect game obviously. Vampire savior is WAY better then i think your giving credit for. Is it better than ST? Probably not. But vampire is better than 90% of the garbage that has been put out in the last 7-8 years collectively. I’ve played some of the best in this game over in japan and at higher level, I completely disagree with what you said about the game about it being less complex. IMO the game becomes far more complex then at mid level play. I think anyone who has had my experience will probably agree with me.

As far as tiers are concerned. When the game has the lowest tier able to win tournaments on a semi regular basis. You know that the game is pretty fucking balanced. But hell, Dont take my word for it. Play the game for yourselves. This game is highly underrated under the great scope of competitive games as it is easily one of the best. Which is very unfortunate i think

the tiers in vs are deff the closest in any fighter
they are seperated by such a small margin
and like i was telling people from day 1 on ggpo vs
tiers are so close any character can win

[Alucard20]

i wish there where more players on ggpo for vs.Thats pretty much y i quit the game.

[MUSOLINI]

what are these execution problems im hearing about. im no tournament level player, nor have i mastered this game (with any character). but ive nevere encountered execution problems. and im playing on a crappy ps2 pad. so go figure.

[shoultzula]

what are these execution problems im hearing about. im no tournament level player, nor have i mastered this game (with any character). but ive nevere encountered execution problems. and im playing on a crappy ps2 pad. so go figure.

you can pushblock a single jab on a pad consistently? some people mess that shit up on a stick unless you’re using a macro to get around it.

the tiers in vs are deff the closest in any fighter
they are seperated by such a small margin
and like i was telling people from day 1 on ggpo vs
tiers are so close any character can win

Its apparent that people actually like this game. My question is that when this game was first released in the arcades, was there an american tournament scene for it?

[RushedDown]

you can pushblock a single jab on a pad consistently? some people mess that shit up on a stick unless you’re using a macro to get around it.
Its apparent that people actually like this game. My question is that when this game was first released in the arcades, was there an american tournament scene for it?

its not overly hard

i tech with just roundhouse most times
i just triple tap it

and as afaik vs didnt have a scene here tourney wise

hunter was huge in my area for a bit tho

[skankin_garbage]

I do pushblocks on single jabs and I play on pad. If you don’t believe me, let’s play VS some time

[Half-Ro]

you can pushblock a single jab on a pad consistently? some people mess that shit up on a stick unless you’re using a macro to get around it.

I dont even know that you can use a macro for that. Doesnt it need to be 6 individual button presses for it to activate?

[RushedDown]

I dont even know that you can use a macro for that. Doesnt it need to be 6 individual button presses for it to activate?

3-5 buttons

[Half-Ro]

3-5 buttons

Thats right, 3 being the shortest push and 5 being the farthest.

[System_1]

The real question is, what does the game need to be better? HD Remix and the continuation of the Udon comic. (Comic would bring a lot to the story)

[_KOH]

They just need to make techhits and guard cancels more lenient, other than that the game is very balanced, and badass fuck the haters.

[System_1]

Psycho, You still pop on GGPO a good bit? We need to get some more sets in. All this Vampire talk is getting me amped

ya, Idle there or 3s room most of the time

[shoultzula]

To all the pad players that tech hit perfectly vs jabs, respect.

I learned this game on a stick and on my tech hits, I did double piano’s which is not possible on a pad. What type of technique are players using to get it consistently? 1 finger 1 button and mash?

[Return_of_Shiki]

its not overly hard

i tech with just roundhouse most times
i just triple tap it

If that is true, then you should only be getting pushblock 25% of the time.

Tech Hitting

Also known as pushblocking, Tech Hitting is performed by inputting anywhere from 3 to 6+ attack inputs during block stun within a 12 frame window. It can only be done on the ground.

It pushes the opponent away a distance, depending on your last input of the tech hit. A strong button will push them far away, and a weak button will do the opposite, pushing them far away enough for you to dash at them and retaliate. There is a random success in executing a successful tech hit.

* 6 or more inputs will guarantee a pushblock.
* 5 inputs allows for 75% rate of success.
* 4 inputs allows for 50% rate of success.
* 3 inputs allows for 25% rate of success. 

Tech hitting gives the person teching frame advantage. This trait of tech hitting makes it more desirable in some cases over guard canceling.

Also worth noting, is that buttons pressed simultaneously count as only one (1) input toward a tech hit.

Negative edge does NOT count toward this, as far as I know.
Also, you can’t just mash multiple buttons too quickly or else you may end up hitting 2 buttons at the same time and get only 1 instead of 2.

[HARD_BREAD]

this VS talk is getting me hype too, yet i still don’t kno how to get GGPO on my mac…I’d play everyday. I play on stick, so when i tech hit, i use slide method from HP to LP back to HP. I tech single hits pretty consistently. I played you before shiki, at a lucky’s tourney…good times man

[RushedDown]

i guard cancel alot
but usually when i tech it comes out
i just dont do it alot

i prefer guard cancel

easiest way is to do it like your doing rc electricity

[kenuran]

I dont know much about the game balance as I dont play enough characters to have an idea other than the token “GIVE THE MUMMY TECH HIT”. You whould have get the Japanese input since they’re the highest authority on this game

I just want the game ported to CPS3 or some machine with more memory so Capcom can finally add those 3 dropped characters (Pyron, Phobos/Huitzil Donovan)

Random note: BB Hood’s Demitri only Infinite also works on Phobos/Huitzil

[MagnetoManiac]

Off topic but Felicia and Morrigan are two of the coolest characters in my book.

It took a while to grow on me but Demitri is a don.

Victor is funnier than Dan or whoever will ever be, and still owns.

[ihira]

I dont know much about the game balance as I dont play enough characters to have an idea other than the token “GIVE THE MUMMY TECH HIT”. You whould have get the Japanese input since they’re the highest authority on this game

You have more authority than 90% of the people in this thread.
Although I think everyone already covered it - the character balance is one of the best, in Capcom fighters.
Due to the nature of the game being a pressure & rush down with Universal defence game systems [techhit and GC] Its not rare to see a low-tier able to win against high-teirs.

If this game didn’t have techhit and GC I think it would be pretty bad. like MVC2 bad.