Vampire Savior: advanced link combos & important notes

Kajoq · February 6, 2009, 4:56am

The setup hes talking about is one of the more common pendulum set ups

You do that chain into knockdown, immediately cancel with s.RH and then pendulum them on wakeup… Depending on when you cancel pendulum you can go to any of the 4 corners

Theres also all the crazy flying above the screen tricks i’d like to get better at, guess I just need to play around with it all more

MagnetoManiac · February 6, 2009, 5:16am

Oh pendalum = the chain. I thought it was either tenraiha or the mallet drum thing. It makes more sense now.

DJRedrumofEPG · February 9, 2009, 2:27am

So, what are the other shapes for Gallon’s EX BC combos besides the standard one? Sometimes I miss the next one or I accidentally put in the wrong direction and I lose the combo. I know there’s other ways to do it.

AtTheGates · February 9, 2009, 2:41am

qcf PP, then:
corner: uf x 4

from far away (if you didn’t hit them with c.mk or any other hit confirm / setup): uf, uf, u, f

if you with j.MK , then j.EX beast cannon, do: f, uf, u, f

gbursine · February 9, 2009, 6:34am

gbursine:

Galleon(Talbain)

Spoiler

-courtesy of skankin garbage/magman

c.lk c.mp c.mk s.hp: a damaging chain that leaves the opponent neutral

c.lp c.lk s.mp c.hk: this chain avoids GC’s at the far range of c.lp c.lk, which you can
react to.

c.mp c.mk: his normals do good damage, this is usually used after some ticks and stuff to
early anti air/poke string and combo wtih.

c.hp c.hk: easy meaty and decent damage.

c.mk xx qcf p, up-forward+p: regular beast cannon combo, if they block don’t go diagonal
up, go backwards. the up-forward combos if you hit.

c.mk xx ES beast cannon, u/f, u/b, u/f, down: mid screen beast cannon combo on middle
weight and heavy weight characters which is the majority of the cast.

c.mk xx ES beast cannon, up, forward, up, forward: mif screen beast cannon combo on light
weight characters.

c.mk xx ES beast cannon, u/f, u/f, u/f, down: basic beast cannon combo on middle and
heavy weight characters.

c.mk xx ES beast cannon, up, forward, up, down: basic beast cannon combo on light weight
characters

Chain combos:

C.Lp -> C.Lk -> C.Mp -> C.Mk

This is Talbain’s longest range combo, because C.Mk actually reaches longer than his S.Hp. This sets you up really well do any random thing you want, too, because you’re in range for a dash/jump-in/BC shenanigans, while being out of the range of most characters’ normals.

Damaging B&Bs:

Crossup J.Lk / C.Lp (-> C.Mp) XX Moment Slice

This is the only reliable way to land Moment Slice. Theoretically, you could land it without crossing up if you do a jump in and then omit the C.Mp, but it’s more trouble than it’s worth when you can just do BC bullshit for more damage. Only do this when you’re crossing up, and DON’T use it on Q-Bee, cos the Moment Slice will whiff.

Air BC / ES Climb Razor

This is a ghetto combo, and it does 39% damage to a character with average Vitality. Air BCs are not the safest thing to have blocked, so make sure that it hits them when you’re very close to the ground. Also, don’t try the Climb Razor if you hit the target airborne - you’re just begging to waste meter like that.

Dash Combos:

D.Lk OR D.Mk / C.Lp -> S.Mk -> S.Hp

This is the standard short hop combo. The chain I’ve written is the strongest chain you can follow up with that doesn’t frequently whiff. It’s theoretically possible to do just about any chain after a Short Hop, but you’re likely to be pushed out of range if you do a 4-hit chain, so just do the one I listed. For Q-Bee, substitute S.Mk for C.Mk.

As an added note, D.Lk can cross up pretty easily against shorter characters (Morrigan, Lilith, BB Hood, Q-Bee, Talbain).

D.Lk, D.Lp / C.Lp -> S.Mk -> S.Hp

This is a dash link combo. The advantage of Dash Links is that they’re much easier to hit-confirm than Short Hops, but they don’t work on every character.

This Dash Link is most important when you have an opponent cornered. You can use it mid-screen, but you’re likely to go flying over your opponent - not a good situation. This Dash Link will whiff shorter characters during their crouch, so you might as well forget it.

D.Mk, D.Lk / C.Lp -> S.Mk -> S.Hp

This Dash Link is more effective mid-screen, because you can start it from far enough away that you won’t fly over your opponent. The catch, however, is that it doesn’t work on as many characters. This Dash Link only works on Bishamon, Demitri, Anakaris, Victor, Jedah, and Rikuo.

Beast Cannon variations (aka what Mag actually wanted me to post, lol)

Midscreen:

Forward -> U/F -> U/B -> U/F -> Down, OR Forward -> U/B -> U/F -> U/B -> Down

This is the common BC juggle. This one will maintain your position on the screen, and allows for a pursuit afterwards. The second variation is mainly for if you activate the BC too close to your opponent - you can just fly past them and start the zig zag from behind them.

Finally, as a variation against heavier characters, you can sub the Down with a D/B or D/F. The diagonal will pretty much guarantee landing all five hits. You probably won’t be able to land the pursuit afterwards, but who cares?

Forward -> Up -> Forward -> Up -> Foward

This is a good juggle, because for one, it’s slightly easier than the zig-zag in my opinion, but more importantly, you can put your opponent in the corner very easily with this one (as if he needs ANOTHER way to do that, right?). You can very rarely land the pursuit afterwards, but in my opinion, you shouldn’t bother.

Corner:

Foward -> Up -> Up -> Down -> Up

This is the most surefire way to land all hits in the corner. There are some easier ones, like Fwd -> U/F x3 -> Down, but it doesn’t work on every character. I don’t actually know every character it whiffs, but for sure it whiffs Demitri and L.Rapter. So, my best advice is to just make a habit of that one. Be sure to do the ‘Up Up’ really fast, or your opponent will fall too low by the time you do the ‘Down’.

Unblockable:

Forward -> U/F -> Down -> U/F OR Forward -> Up (when opponent is cornered)

The trick is to be really high over your opponent on the ‘Down’, and quickly change to the ‘U/F or Forward’. This works because the game thinks that your opponent is blocking something both in front of and behind your opponent. Most people know about this and will not let you try. Do not try this against someone with a good GC, and be prepared for opponents to try and jump out of it after the second attack.

Also, random trivial info: I’m not sure how many people know this, but you can actually do the unblockable at mid-screen; however, the timing and spacing is way too strict for it to be practical, and let’s be honest - no one is gonna let you get away with trying, anyways.

** beast cannon will be abbreviated as "bc"
j.mkXXj.bc, /, ES uppercut
*this combo displays 2 things that people forget/dont see
-aerial moves are bufferable
-ES moves juggle(I thought it was ES-> special, but in this case, its special->es…Ill explain if pple catch this comment, and dont understand)

jump/dash in, lp, lk, lp, ES Uppercut

d.mp, d.hp, s.lp, +s.lk, +s.lp, uppercut kick

DF- [jumpin], c.mk, short hop(d,d+PPP), lp, mp, forward, lk, mk(last 5 inputs were his raging demon super)pursuit, or turn off DF

<corner>[d.lk, d.hp]xN, finisher-ES nunchuks(sp dont kill me)

-many combos ending w/ ES wolf cannon, can combo into an ES wolf uppercut

-I think, if youre not attacking(which you should be), or are at a critical point in the match(near death), dp beast cannonXXaway+punch, does a decent job of building meter

-short hop= D+3K is a really short hop…
(*Notesome of its frames are invincible. I had an instance the other day, where my friend did ES soul fist, and I hopped through it… I was amazed)

i had taken the time to put it all on the first few posts of mine. i think this’s what you’re requesting, correct?

DJRedrumofEPG · February 9, 2009, 6:47am

exactly GB, thank you.

B_IzM · February 10, 2009, 3:13pm

http://xsaviorx.blog119.fc2.com/blog-category-6.html

Japanese Article describing various Advance Guard “Tech Hit” methods.

Hopefully Nohoho or somebody else can provide a brief translation.

DJRedrumofEPG · February 13, 2009, 11:42pm

That looks rather self explanatory.

1st Set of pics: Piano from short to fierce (so short,jab, strong, fierce) then swipe across the kicks (short, forward, roundhouse)

2nd Set of Pics: looks like a double swipe with strong and fierce with your middle and ring finger and your index swipes across the kicks, so it in essence it’s (strong,fierce~short,forward,roundhouse) very quickly. This one looks kinda painful though, unless you have like Hulk hands or something

HARD_BREAD · February 14, 2009, 2:50am

found these on nico
Kaji vs. Sako

Sako vs. Bishamon player(i can’t read J-nese)

there are more, just use the tags. these are from the DCC at a-cho…some of you guys may have seen these already, but i was glad to see these because these are fairly recent and i thought sako wasn’t playing anymore…

Edit: here’s a vid of keyboard master playing on the keyboard

Anakron · February 14, 2009, 3:17am

Ouch.

I started playing on GGPO again. Perhaps you can criticize my Rikuo and give me some help? :wgrin:

Aquashark · February 14, 2009, 7:08am

kb ftw!

does he use 3P and 3K buttons? i can’t tell from the video

HARD_BREAD · February 14, 2009, 2:41pm

he doesn’t…pressing buttons at the same time doesn’t give you tech hit, you have to do 6 inputs. he’s drumming.

DJRedrumofEPG · February 16, 2009, 12:28am

Sure, no problem. Right now I don’t have time to get on GGPO. Working hard and going to be getting SFIV, but if you could maybe upload some vids of you playing, we could take it from there.

I may not be the best Rikuo player, but I’m always willing to help someone who wants to learn

Also, KBMaster (AKA Oouchi) is just beastly enough to where he doesn’t need 3p/3k. He probably does the method that is described in the pics. Which I would assume is about equally as hard on KB as it is on stick.

I can’t imagine how pad players do it though >.>

RushedDown · February 16, 2009, 4:49am

i tech hit with just roundhouse most times

DJRedrumofEPG · February 16, 2009, 10:28pm

^Proof that Rushed mashes, lol.

Anakron, I can tell you some basic things you should know with Rikuo as well. Hit me up on AIM or MSN or w/e. We can talk Rikuo.

skankin_garbage · February 16, 2009, 11:21pm

AG on pad will differ based on your setup (i.e, whether you use L1 and R1, or whether you use both right shoulder buttons). If you use the normal “right shoulder buttons” layout, Mag has a good one for that. If you use the old-school “L1 R1” style, I could teach someone how to do that one.

Alternate275 · February 17, 2009, 5:32pm

Does life still breathe through this game? I’ve always wanted to play this ;D

DJRedrumofEPG · February 17, 2009, 8:50pm

Yeah, it does have some life on GGPO. A lot of us are on during random times of the day (not me as much, seeing as SFIV> VS for right now). So if you want, just hit us up.

Super Oouchi Edit: I just saw the sickest Jedah shit ever. B-Izm’s latest Jedah vid. I think he did Dash HP over and over, but I have no clue. Does that only work on Bishamon? Or is it characters of Simillar Height (Rikuo for instance)

Logos · February 18, 2009, 1:26am

I think it works on everyone if they’re standing, but only on the taller chars when crouching.

Tetsu · February 22, 2009, 12:30am

Bishamon only infinite.

Oouchi vs lezard matches are always hilarious to watch.