Vampire Savior: advanced link combos & important notes

I don’t think he cares. And I don’t see why you (or anyone) cares what he does/doesn’t do.

why do you DO it?

I do it for the haters! thanks for the avatar and new sig ouchi!

I watch them to learn and am not at all surprised that I am subsequently entertained.

Older post, but is Lilith top tier?? http://curryallergy.blogspot.com/2009/12/vampire-savior-tourney-round-up.html

I’d be awesome to get this in English: http://blog.livedoor.jp/iamddsas23/archives/1069602.html

If you’re learning new things, then absolutely it’s the wrong approach to watch match videos. But I’ve been playing for a while and trying to ferret out new information out of every match video is almost counter-productive at this point. When you get to a certain point in your game-play, all it boils down to is making good decisions, maximizing on your opportunities and just outplaying your opponent. I watch videos to know what went on in them, MAYBE analyze them and substitute what I’d do or why they did something, but overall just to have a good time and enjoy the footage for what it is.

Hahaha…no. That’s just Kaji. But as it’s been said SO MANY times before, tiers are present in this game, but by no means do they dominate what goes on. In this game, the better player will most likely win. Not the best character.

if you stay away from mummy, you’ll do fine. The game is incredibly balanced, possibly one of capcoms most balanced games of all time. lilith is like one of the worst characters in the game but kaji plays so smart\perfect that she looks top tier lol.

pick anyone but mummy and watch the best players run that character over and over. @ first I would copy pressure strings, combos, AA options, follow ups. Once you understand the character and can do some of the bnbs, you should be ready for matchups.

lastly, there is always jumping on srk and asking kajoq for tips with any character.

Haha, forgive my wording. Maybe I put it a little too strong.

Why shouldn’t I care? There’s lots of people that miss out on deeper strategies because they watch matchvideos casually all the time. And although it didn’t come off as it, I actually wanted to help. If he would have replied “how do you watch em then?” (or something around those lines lol) I would have told him so and so. I now know that he doesn’t need it, and he gave some plausible reasons as to why so it’s fine. No offense, really.

You can play Anak. and still win. That’s all Chikyuu plays I believe, and he’s one of the best players out there.

Chikyuu is a very good player… Hes far from one of the best. Theres a ton of matches out there that really do a great job illustrating Anak’s shortcomings.

Lilith d.LP c.LP x N
Bishamon has a 2 hit dash string… i forget exactly what that he can rep endlessly
BB hood can lock him down with d.MP c.LP
Sas can lock him down with c.LP c.LP d.HK
Etc.
Like - Anak has tools, but hes also got a lot working against him. 23 frame overhead (vs Q-bees 9 frame IAD LK). No Tech hit, No regular throw, MASSIVE receiving hitboxes, etc.

I still play Anak a good bit, but once you put any time into him its massively obvious why hes considered bottom tier (but as was said, that doesnt mean he can’t win)

Right, he did not ask a question, he made a statement. You interjected. But your opinion isn’t going to change how he feels about the subject, whatever, it’s cool.

I am surprised that Zabel doesn’t dominate more, honestly.

Chikyuu did go 13/20 vs some of the best in last weeks exhibition. That’s near a 6.5/3.5 vs all other players. If that’s not top tier :smiley:

Nohoho had this list and it seems Kosho is really killing them atm with no Gallon or Bee placings:

2010 Winningest Players Through June

DD has been keeping track of who got the most first place finishes.

Total Wins
7 - Kosho (Bulleta)
3 - Kuma (Sasquatch), DD (Sasquatch), Shimatsuya (Jedah)
2 - bow (Aulbath), Kaji (Lilith), Dara (Demitri)
1 - Atsua (Lei-Lei), Umi no Ko (Aulbath), Osakana (Aulbath), Oboro (Victor), Nan (Bulleta), Ouchi (Jedah), Komemaru (Zabel), Nakanishi (Bishamon), Orekon (Felicia)

Singles Victories
5 - Kosho (Bulleta)
3 - Kuma (Sasquatch)
1 - Atsuta (Lei-Lei), DD (Sasquatch), Nakanishi (Bishamon), Orekon (Felicia

I think if you look at it on paper, Zabel definitely is tops. He has a very safe, high damage option, for basically every situation.

The problem is that realistically its very difficult to acknowledge and apply these options in every situation because of the speed of the game and the preciseness of the inputs required for him. Hence why we see so many beastly Sas players vs Zabel.

Sas is just a lot easier to beast with, even if his overall potential is slightly lower

Just because someone makes a statement it means that it can’t be ill-built and thus be corrected? For instance, if a newbie (not saying he is, just an example) says he doesn’t kara throw with SSFIV Ken because he thinks it’s a bug that shouldn’t be used, is it not right to point out to him how much of Ken’s gameplay he’s leaving out?
Maybe (and that was my crucial mistake here) I should have directly elaborated on why I think it’s not the right way instead of waiting for him to reply (which was my plan to begin with). But whatever.

Back to VS! I have a question now. What is the definition of a ‘stagger’? The V-Sav wiki says Lilith’s gameplan consists partly of staggers into LI. Does that mean hitconfirms?

I ain’t even mad :stuck_out_tongue:

Heck, I even wrote this long post on here about how to watch match videos, lol. You can find it if you search for threads that I’ve created or w/e. But don’t worry at all man, I’m not in the slightest bit upset or offended.

Staggering people basically just means catching them mashing during a frame trap. Its more common in Tekken than most fighters, but because of the way tech hit works in this game, its a pretty valid tactic. Lilith and Bishamon are really good at is, as are most of the ground dash characters.

Basically, if you play a character with a pressure-based rushdown (Lilith, Bish, Talbain, Felicia, BB Hood, Rikuo) as opposed to a High/Low Rushdown character, you need to learn how to stagger your attacks very effectively. It is important to learn with all characters to a certain extent, though.

If you want to read a bit more about it, I’ve written about it briefly in the AG Section of the Tutorial; search for “Variable Blockstun Pressure”.

lets start a petition to tell ono/capcom to stop asking for petitions

this is bullshit

Agreed. Any asshat can sign a petition or hold up money. Doesn’t mean they care about the series, or that they’ll even buy the game if it comes out. I’m willing to bet that 80% of the people who signed the Darkstalkers 4 petition haven’t even so much as tried Savior or Hunter.

/sounding like an elitist prick and complaining about stupid shit

Chikyuu is one of the best. Just because he plays a shit character, and loses because of it sometimes, doesn’t take away from the player himself. He’s always been like that, though. He picks the absolute worst character and tries to beat people with it. Since I didn’t always play top tier, I know how that goes. You just can’t always win if your opponent plays solid enough. It’s hard to force human errors on the best of players.

for strictly learning purposes, I never give a new player one of the hardest characters to learn\use. Its much easier to learn the game when you have a character who can properly utilize the engine and is balanced in terms of matchups.

I agree completely. It’s just that the way you worded it made it seem like Anak. can’t win, and I just wanted to point out that that’s not the case.