Valle vs Daigo, ten years later. And the return of John Choi

I’m not sure if that’s the best title for this post, but here goes.

I had dinner with my bromance partner Derek Daniels last night. And we both confessed how in the nineties we had Alex Valle posters on our walls, and wore wife beaters to the arcade Valle -Style. Valle was our King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and would beats on anybody who walked on God’s green earth.

I remember watching B3, and thinking how beastly Valle’s shotos were. And how, thank to the patented Valle CC trick and working at SHGL, Valle was undisputed King of A2. The only one who seemed to dispute that was NorCal’s finest Korean Robot and Heart of Steel, John Choi.

Have you watched B3? It’s fucking required reading for any Street Fighter player. It’s gorgeous and old school, when VHS was the norm. In it, you see all these OGs go to war, and Valle and Choi come out on top. Now Valle is just a fun beast to watch. Forgive me for diminshing Valle down to this, but when I watch him play, I think of Abraham Maslow’s quote, “When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem resembles a nail.” And Valle used that mighty hammer (no homo) to smash through all his opponents with amazing brutal shoto skill.

On the other end of the bracket is Korean Machine John Choi. And true Olympic style gameplay, with textbook Ken. You jump, he st. forwards. You jump in close, he st.mp. All the smarty smart stuff that when I was a teenager I A) didn’t have the patience or execution to do and B) thought wasn’t as dangerous or as exciting as the wildebeast Alex Valle.

So I always remember Choi vs Valle finals. It felt a lot like the prototype of things to come. The two greatest playstyles (NorCal vs Socal. EC vs WC. US vs Japan perhaps?) facing off. Place yer bets on ths shit folks! It was (and still is, go back and watch it) ELECTRIFYING!!

So Valle (spoiler alert) beats John Choi and is a legend. And John Choi was already a legend. And my idol worship of Valle continued. The man could play so many fighting games (SF, Tekken, VS) and was Gawdlike before the term existed.

I know, I know, I loved Alex Valle. Shoot me okay.

To this point, I don’t think US had faced Japan yet. It was coming in 1998’s Valle vs Daigo, but before then I don’t think it had ever manifested. All that existed were the legends. TMZ and Skillsmith. Stories of Gawdlike eleven year olds doing 22-Hit Impossible Combos!! Ah, the myths were ever expanding. I wonder if they had legends of US player? If they did, it was probably some Japanese Business man would say that a US player would do a 2-in-1 and then they’d all gaffaw at our ignorance.

So anyway, the World Alpha3 Championships arrive and Daigo beasts on everyone in Japan and comes to America to wait and see who are champion wins. Valle beats a Wolfe brother in typical “down to the wire, ohmigod I’m gonna faint” style play. Then, the moment we’ve all been waiting for. Valle vs Daigo.

Okay, remember when you started playing Street Fighter, and someone at the local arcade beat you? Humiliated you? Remember those days? We all had them. But in your mind, you always had the best guy *you *knew, who could destroy the guy who just desecrated you. It was like always having that big brother, but in the SF world. You know what I’m talking about? Well that was Valle. No one could beat him. So no matter who beat me, ever anywhere, I thought of my hero Valle, showing up in a 1999 Infiniti, destroying everyone with on quarter, then giving me a high five and getting me drive though Dairy Queen. Ghetto Don Sneddon says it in “Bang the Machine”: noone beats Valle. No one. Not one exists that can defeat him on God’s Green Earth.

So it was time. Him, Valle, the extroverted people’s champ, vs the quiet and adolescent Daigo Umehara.

We all know what happened next. If you don’t go to youtube right now. Long story short, Valle lost and Daigo beat everyone in the building except the Wolfe brother’s Dhalsim, whom he lost to with Gen.

So like Superman vs Doomsday, or Batman vs Bane, or Luke vs Darth Vader, our hero, MY hero lost.

Daigo played nothing like had ever been seen before. People use the term combovideo in turney play, and that’s what it was like. It was like Daigo had come from outer space. In actuality, he just came from the Land of the Rising Sun.

And thus, Japan is established as King of SF and the United States like second. It was a shitty feeling.

Years later, Valle would redeem himself and beat Daigo in 3S at EVO. Somehow it didn’t resonate as much. Japan was still beating the US in everything excepy Marvel 2. Wow, big deal. When it came to technical *traditional * Street Fighter, we still lost.

Look at the last couple EVOs. Japanese KO wins Third Strike. Japanese BAS wins CvS2. Japanese Gian wins ST. Japan wins Japan wins.

Now, here is 2008, ten years after Daigo beat our champion.

And who was our champion’s number one US rival. Why it was John Choi.

You ever drive down the street and see and old classic car that’s in perfect shape? Like a 66 Mustang that’s imaculate, and you’re like, “Wow.” That’s John Choi. Mint condition.

But still, until two weeks ago, John Choi had never even won an EVO, and United States best bets were Pyrolee, Ricky, Justin, Combofiend, etc. This new generation of players. Choi belonged with Valle, Cole, Watts (although Watts is an exceptional 3S player, but go with me), and the other Old Timers, hardly playing street fighter anymore.

Yet, somehow, Choi returned like a fireball and won not only CvS2 but also Super Turbo! Wha!?

Ten years after Daigo graced our shores and took our livelihoods, John Choi defeated their NUMBER 1 CvS2 player Bas and defeated the man who’d beat him prior in ST, Tokido.

John Choi proved that the United States can be number 1 again.

Yes, it too ten years, but now, when you see anyone beat *anybody *on ST or CvS2, you can say, “yeah, but you’re lucky john Choi’s not here.”

John mutherfuckin Choi.

Crazy isn’t it. Ten years later. United States is the best again. Maybe not 3S yet (hey, Jwong/Gootecks/KoFiend **WON **their first game at SBO! I think that’s a first!) Yet now, the scales have shifted and the reign of Japanese dominance has ended. It’s like being a Rebel in Star Wars and the Death Star just got blown up. Japanese > US isn’t a certified formula in SF quadratics anymore.

It’s all thanks to the Korean Machine that took second place to Alex valle. Thanks to him staying mint condition. Thanks to him fighting to win and uppercutting more than ever. We all knew it was possible, but the fact that it was John Choi, the yin to Valle’s yang (no homo) makes it even sweeter.

I love Street Fighter.

love,
Vic

Good read. Brings back the memories of purity: the arcade scene and the way street fighter was meant to be played.

However, overall, Japan is the best in ST Arcade. If we setup all of Japan’s ST players vs. all of U.S. players, I don’t think it would be pretty. Sigh. But maybe I’m wrong. Who knows.

I teared.

Shirts is gay

I beat 4 of their best in their homeland fresh into ST…

I think we do great =)

When I was growing up, Valle was my SF hero as well. That dude was an inspiration. He’s probably one of the reasons why I kept playing. Just to show how much a fanboy I was, I IM’ed him one day randomly and was like, “So, what should I do to get good in 3S?” and he was like, “Just keep playing. Everything will come to you.” I can’t lie, that melted some of the ice off my heart.

But yeah, his Ryu in ST back in the day was just gdlk.

John Choi VS The World

Bet it!

#1 John Choi Fanboy Right Here

Ok, we might do good. :woot:

John was that dude at SVGL that inspired me to play harder. when I had no idea what I was doin, he would gladly take my 10 dollars of tokens a day :slight_smile:

That was a terrific read. Thanks.

I only got into Street Fighter last year, but I love hearing about the history of the scene.

Also, thanks for the spoiler alert: I actually stopped reading (seriously) to watch the B3 finals on Youtube. The ending was incredible. :smile:

oh shit dude its valle

sweet.

man, i remember when Valle officially was my idol, back in grade school me and my friends were playing XvsSF on ps and DI on dreamcast. I always read and kep t up with the community on the internet, and reading the tournament reports in tips and tricks magazine. I remember reading through and seen that Valle was up in the magazine, I was like, man someday i wanna meet this cat. and behold, i play with him on xbox live, we played awful ammount of hours into a game on xbox360, GEARS OF WAR. really cool cat mang. much love and considered a true friend to me.

sup cali, i see you on that SC4 recently. much love homie.

where’s papa watts???

oh, he’s right here: [media=youtube]txUySvdubac[/media]

choi watts wong g.o.a.t.

Alex Valle is the only dude on SRK awesome enough to lurk for months at a time, only post in threads where he’s mentioned by name, and not get called out for it. :rofl:

I had the incredible opportunity to try my scrubby little hands against his Ryu on ST GGPO a few weeks ago, and his fireball pressure/zoning is a wall; the dominance that he exerts when he plays is so tangible. Every single round I just felt like all my shit was being slowly and unstoppably bulldozed into a corner and then it was all so fucking over.

One of the things that never ceases to amaze me about Street Fighter is how absolutely legendary the legends like him really are.

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That match was dope to me in that up to the end of that match, everyone and their Mom was like “Alpha 3 is all X-Rolento and A/V-Sim. No debate. Don’t even bother playing this game otherwise.”

Next day, millions of V-Akuma players were born and everyone was trying to find a demon-flip style VC for every character in the game. :rofl:

LMAO! … I just saw the vid of the A3 match between Valle and Daigo and lemme just say Valle looks just like a “piraita” from Peru ! lol … I know u guys wont get the joke … but I do since Im from Peru as well.

Btw, I still need to see a complete white guy be one of the bests in any SF game. Valle, Choi, Justin, Ricky dont count coz they have origins from different countries … not the US.

oh god i just saw a clip of myself after the daigo valle match. im so embarrassed

I think that was the first time japan vs usa officially happened. I remember plenty of us on alt.games didn’t think japan was going to be valle/choi level. It was great to see how good they really were

valle taught me that smart stuff in marvel back in the days at shgl.

my storm wouldve never been so revolutionary if it wasnt for hero.

man i wished i lived in cali so i could be closer to all this action, but i’m stuck out here in NM.

i remember seeing john choi, ricky ortiz, and alex valle in the back of tips and tricks always on top of those arcade leader boards.

It was incredible to see them in person at evo, it was like “holy shit, you really do exist outside of the internet”

i was geekin out seeing all these top players, i can’t wait for evo next year

ALL HAIL THE ORIGINAL KINGS OF AMERICAN SF

ALEX VALLE AND JOHN CHOI!