So people who would actually learn anything during that final year have the option of continuing their education, while everyone else can graduate early.
I don’t see anything wrong with this at all.
May seem crazy, but my senior year of high school was pretty worthless. The only classes that were required were English Lit and Chemistry. The other 5 classes on my schedule were all optional, with one being a 2-hour class. I ended up with Astronomy as a class. Astronomy. A handful of seniors didn’t even spend the entire day there because they had jobs they could leave early to go to.
They’re doing the right thing, but for the wrong reason.
There’s no fucking reason why primary education needs to be 13 years long and kids should have to get up at 5-6AM and have 8 hours of school per day.
Even the best high schools in the country have mostly fluff classes in the 12th grade. It’s a year of semi-vacation for the few kids that are left, and everybody knows it.
Also, the logic of the “only the kids who want to learn, study and go to college will be there” is completely backwards. The only kids who will be there if given a choice are precisely the ones who DON’T want to learn, they just want a free party year with their friends, sports team, etc. before they are forced to drop out or graduate and hit the “real world”.
I know I fucking hated high school precisely BECAUSE I wanted to learn and get ready for college, 12th grade was worthless.
I actually ended up getting expelled (for the second time) in the 12th grade for a lot of little things that built over time (fucking up other students, destroying property, scaring teachers). I went to Community College in the summer and got all my credits for the year done with in about 6 weeks, and the best part about it all is I could read, do the work, and turn it in on my pace, work on my own, and of course, since it was college, didn’t have to deal with all the bullshit that infests public high school these days: drama, cliques, thuggery, tight-ass security, curfews, getting up at the fucking crack of dawn, and all the bureaucratic nonsense from the school and dumbassery of the student body.
In other words, all the freedom and good stuff of taking college courses, except it was 12th grade for me.
So there’s really no reason why the kids smart enough and responsible enough, shouldn’t be able to choose to go to tech school, community college, mechanic classes, cooking classes, or whatever education path that is relevant to their careers.
By the way, I was 17 when I started college, too, so age is just a number.
condensed version
12th grade is worthless, and public high schools are just tax-payer funded prisons for teens to babysit them until they’re old enough to start fucking or work a job (and even then they fail at that).
There’s no reason why 12th graders shouldn’t be given an option to go to work, finish their education at college, or whatever instead of a 1 year vacation to party, shoot people up, smoke weed in the bathrooms, and goof off at the cost of society’s dime.
What this really means:
More mormons leaving Utah at a young age to come to California and become porn stars.
Seriously, these cost cutting measures make no sense.
Sounds like something a 3rd world country would do.
School is important for a lot of reasons other than just education. This is a pretty terrible idea.
If this bill is passed, there’ll be more Chris Buttars in the future for America.
And by Chris Buttars, I mean retards.
i know this doesn’t exactly pertain to the topic but wtf are you talking about waking up at 5 - 6 in the morning?
Shit, when I lived in Charleston I had to get up at 5am because the bus came at 6. We were the first kids picked up, and the route was long as hell. Took nearly an hour to get the bus full before getting to school. Fucking sucked.
I don’t know about you guys, but 12th grade was probably one of the toughest for me. 5 AP classes and took calculus at a JC. I’m sure it depends on a school to school (most likely kid to kid) basis, but I’d rather have a traditional 12 grade school system. At least, for the students who want to go to college. On the other hand, what an awesome thing to say in your application. “My school was so bad, we didn’t even have a 12th grade.”
If 12th grade is worthless in terms of what they’re asking kids to do, then they need to start asking kids to do more. Raise the bar and demand they start taking a few entry-level college courses to graduate high school.
oh snap! it worked last night! i checked it 5 times 
it was you constantly spelling the word “follow” as “fallow.” you did it in like 11 different threads, sometimes in multiple posts inside the threads. it always cracked me up for some reason
my 12th grade schedule was awesome
Gym, Gym, Lunch, Calculus 3 at the local college, Gym, go home for the first semester
Library, Calculus 4 at the local college, Lunch, Technology, Go home early because there are no classes I can take for the second semester
People in ass backward states need to keep forgetting that the entire globe is connected electronically now. While it is true that a lot of people spend their senior year doing nothing. The idea of a selecting people from a state that doesn’t even require 12th grade becomes sort of a joke. and as a college admissions officer in a country with a pretty bad education system, what would you think about a person who decided they didn’t need the last year up against a person who had 12th grade. Even if that second person would have opted out if they had the choice the bottom line is the still finished 12th grade.
We have a program at the CC where seniors can transfer into a college environment and start taking college courses with older students. The people that I’ve interacted with in the program seem far better off than the average high school student. Senior year is fucking stupid, I never got why I had to complete it when there was nothing of value to learn anyway.
Want help with the budget? Utah has like 700 million churches. Tax each of them a dollar and bam problem fixed.
joseph smith would not approve of that
Its not the year though its people doing nothing useful with that time theres a HUGE difference. Its not like theres exactly 11 years worth of things you absolutely need to know and they just tacked on an extra year for no reason.
People don’t do shit because they are about to get out and not have to come back. if you get rid of 12 grade in a few years you’ll have people talking about how they didn’t do anything in 11th grade and how that can go too, and at that point there would be an actual precendent for this nonsense.
All of this at a time when a bachelor’s degree is the new high school diploma. Good job America.
That’s not true. I lived in Germany for example, and they have 13 grades as opposed to our 12. The 13th is actually very useful, they start taking internships and preparing for the job they want after the graduate.
12th grade essentially exists for people who were too stupid to pass stuff the first time and have to make it up. I don’t know about you guys, but I was done with everything I needed to graduate by the end of tenth grade. Why not keep the current system for the people who need the extra time and actually let people who finish with all their stuff early do something more important. Or rather force them to b/c I could have taken more AP classes than I did but I was cool with taking 2 years of culinary arts instead b/c it basically meant that I got a 2 hour lunch everyday.:smokin::smokin:
A lot of it is this no child left behind bullshit. We could actually take more advanced classes if we weren’t held back by assclowns that never picked up the book. So instead of moving forward we have to wait for the teacher to basically read the book to that ONE PERSON twice and then explain it. Is there really any mystery as to why I would listen to the first 15 minutes of lecture and then go to sleep? I knew the rest of the class would be the exact same.