USFIV T.Hawk

[Snatcher]

I don’t know if anyone had tested this, so I took it upon myself:

EX Tomahawk FADC forward is -4 on block, was able to block reversal Tiger Uppercut(5f) but couldn’t jump out of reversal EX Ultra Throw(4f).

[TheSurefireGamer]

Bad match ups for Ultra: Blanka (tad better), rolento, elena maybe once people figure her out, dudley because of his improved normals and moves,bison, guile, VEGA, juri

Interesting that you say elena because I think hawk wins that matchup. As someone who’s trying to main elena in ultra, she tends to have a lot of problems against hugo and t. hawk. Like it feels like she has to take risks to get damage and if those risks don’t pay off either hugo or t. hawk can hit her once and she’s at a huge life disadvantage.

As far as his bad matchups go, a lot of them feel better. The new jab spire can whiff punish badly spaced blanka balls on reaction, which is something but if you’re going up against any blanka that knows what he’s doing it’s still going to be absurdly tough. The juri match up feels better, I’m not really sure why but it could be that I’m playing double ultra and juri players don’t really know when to sit still. The gouken matchup is probably worse but I don’t know since all the gouken’s I’ve fought online don’t seem to be using his stand short buff.

I’m on the fence about rolento and dudley being a bad matchup. I feel like that’s more matchup experience than anything in rolentos case and I just don’t see the dudley matchup changing that much with his new normals.

Outside of that it feels like most of his matchups are the same, or better because of the new walk speed and spire.

Blanka’s still the worst match-up for Hawk, but all of his others feel improved.

Vs. Elena I feel it comes down to Poke-Fest 2014. Whoever can get in the best ones will win the match. Her floaty jump does make her an easy target for Spires & Tomahawks, though. Againts Gouken it’s all about pressure, and resisting the urge to Condor Dive. Haven’t really faced top-levels yet, but the Gouken’s I have face tend to fire off angled Hadokens, making it a little easier for me to get in.

[Retnuh66]

Anyone have any luck against the Poison MU? I swear that one is giving me the most headaches out of everyone.

[eddieW]

Bad match ups for Ultra: Blanka (tad better), rolento, elena maybe once people figure her out, dudley because of his improved normals and moves,bison, guile, VEGA, juri

Interesting that you say elena because I think hawk wins that matchup. As someone who’s trying to main elena in ultra, she tends to have a lot of problems against hugo and t. hawk. Like it feels like she has to take risks to get damage and if those risks don’t pay off either hugo or t. hawk can hit her once and she’s at a huge life disadvantage.

As far as his bad matchups go, a lot of them feel better. The new jab spire can whiff punish badly spaced blanka balls on reaction, which is something but if you’re going up against any blanka that knows what he’s doing it’s still going to be absurdly tough. The juri match up feels better, I’m not really sure why but it could be that I’m playing double ultra and juri players don’t really know when to sit still. The gouken matchup is probably worse but I don’t know since all the gouken’s I’ve fought online don’t seem to be using his stand short buff.

I’m on the fence about rolento and dudley being a bad matchup. I feel like that’s more matchup experience than anything in rolentos case and I just don’t see the dudley matchup changing that much with his new normals.

Outside of that it feels like most of his matchups are the same, or better because of the new walk speed and spire.

I think hawk wins vs elena, her dp move loses to hawks cross up if you know the timing…

Blanka is a turtle match but still in Blanka favor…, use c.lp to shield from roll attacks and slowly close in and footsie, get the life lead and turtle and make blanka come to you and punish.

Dudley I think hawk wins… I had a high level dud player tell me hawk is a bad match up for dud after we had a couple of matches… hawk can just out footsie dud… c.mk from shoto’s is dud weakness and hawk has the same move, keeps dud back.

Rolento it depends, Rolento’s s.mp is not a good AA vs hawk. remember ex spire is good vs pokes. do hawk dives vs Rolento roll back attempts to escape.

My bad match up is freaking el fuete!!! geez

[cmc]

I still can’t figure out a reason for fadc ex toma. Why not regular toma? Ex can be cancelled to hawk dive in the air so you only use 2 bars vs 3 with the fadc. Doesn’t make sense

the only reason combofiend gave was if your opponent was near the corner and you mess up your ex buster; you can now safely backdash without diving into the corner yourself. Still kinda lame tho.

Lol well with hawk being a grappler the average player try’s to stay back.
Only thing I found is blocked ex toma dash forward ultra seems to be really good. It doesn’t seem to have that disadvantage like say the Shoto dp fadc on block.

Those are the same words I told combofiend about my thought on fadc tomahawk. Anyway it may not always land into the corner if the dive is early or an crossup.

A cr.mk fadc dash to ultra is cheaper than a toma dash to ultra. Also the opponent might thought it might be an EX spire and try to block. And I seen this been use on a couple of video. Never try myself though because I use ultra 2.

Anyway, I think this is added because there were lot of people wanted tomahawk fadc. So that they can say they “listen to the players”.

[jebop]

No Hawk Red focus derpyness? Nooo! I was about to learn this character just because of the hate he gets in Ultra.

[Shouta]

Using 3 bars for a Red Focus combo isn’t great with hawk though. Ex Spire is ridiculously good for mobility in this game so having meter for it is important. If you need red focus, then doing the raw one is worthwhile, especially if you land the level 3 version.

[Dontdodat]

I’m 3 for 4 red focus level 3 point blank

[Shouta]

I’ve got a bunch too myself. It’s awesome when used correctly and does gross damage with U1.

[scratchback]

For those wondering, KOG is in pool c58. Hopefully the best Hawk in the world will get some stream time.

[scratchback]

KOG is just too ridiculous for words. He definitely brought the hype but even he couldn’t get past Hawks bad mu’s in the end. First time out of Japan and first EVO ever and the guy almost gets in top 8 with Hawk. He deserves crazy props guys. Hopefully he gets to play a lot of casuals that will be recorded. America really needs to step their Hawk game up, we’re not even close.

[Fieno]

KOG is just too ridiculous for words. He definitely brought the hype but even he couldn’t get past Hawks bad mu’s in the end. First time out of Japan and first EVO ever and the guy almost gets in top 8 with Hawk. He deserves crazy props guys. Hopefully he gets to play a lot of casuals that will be recorded. America really needs to step their Hawk game up, we’re not even close.

I was off my chair during that Ex Spire dash ultra. Just going mental.

[Juriel]

I don’t T.Hawk, but watching KOG was the highlight of the show - his hijinx were just so funny.

[Doopliss]

Now that I’ve released my video, I can share the stuff I found. Poison is by far the best dummy for post LK Spire combos. cl.LP, cl.MP xx LK Spire, or jump-in to cl.MPx2 to LK Spire will allow you to combo into cl.LP into LP or EX Tomahawk, or another LK Spire IIRC.

[Hardc0re]

So, can you infinite Poison by doing cl.LPxLK Spire?

[Doopliss]

So, can you infinite Poison by doing cl.LPxLK Spire?

No, you won’t be able to follow up the 2nd one. Only cl.MP has enough hitstun for LK Spire to hit meaty enough to allow for combos afterwards IIRC. Maybe the other mediums as well, but needing to combo into a medium prevents any risks of infinites.

[LungePunch]

Hey guys, just started learning some THAWK, because of his “gun.”

1. I’m trying to incorporate it more, so when is the best time to be using it? Frame traps?
2. Is it always better to cancel it from a cr. MK?
3. When I’m trying to use it, it never seems to be as fast as I’m watching it on stream/videos. Is it just me or is there a trick to get spires out faster?

thanks.

[jebop]

T. Hawk is just stupid now, not that I’m complaining. I’m having fun with it.

[DaftMarC]

Hawk’s LP and MP CS is getting nerfed in the 1.04 update.LP CS is gonna be 15 frames from 11 frames and MP CS is gonna be 17 frames from 14 frames.

[Glovedman]

Hawk’s LP and MP CS is getting nerfed in the 1.04 update.LP CS is gonna be 15 frames from 11 frames and MP CS is gonna be 17 frames from 14 frames.

Yeah… I just read that… What a pitty.

Well… I don’t understand that much about more/less frames… Will it still be possible to make combos like: LP + LP + MP + LP.CS ?