USF4 | Unlisted Changes

[Eternal]

Yeah I remember it being listed on the japanese list but it’s not on the capcom unity one which most english readers saw. Basically unlisted.

[gsxtacy]

didnt see it listed but maybe someone mentioned it. Cammy got an extra frame of adv on spiral arrow fadc. She can now combo cl.fp and cl.mp after she fadcs.

yang lk dp also got some kind of hitbox adjustment (maybe inadvertent due to hitstop fix). His dk frame adv also seems improved but not positive yet.

[Eternal]

didnt see it listed but maybe someone mentioned it. Cammy got an extra frame of adv on spiral arrow fadc. She can now combo cl.fp and cl.mp after she fadcs.

yang lk dp also got some kind of hitbox adjustment (maybe inadvertent due to hitstop fix). His dk frame adv also seems improved but not positive yet.

Cammy frame advantage is mentioned in official patch notes. Yang I haven’t gotten to yet.

[gsxtacy]

didnt see it listed but maybe someone mentioned it. Cammy got an extra frame of adv on spiral arrow fadc. She can now combo cl.fp and cl.mp after she fadcs.

yang lk dp also got some kind of hitbox adjustment (maybe inadvertent due to hitstop fix). His dk frame adv also seems improved but not positive yet.

Cammy frame advantage is mentioned in official patch notes. Yang I haven’t gotten to yet.

Oh i see it now. I glanced over it since it never mentioned FADC.

[Hitenryu]

I think feis mk chicken wing has had its physics changed when hitting airborne making it more difficult to land ultra after

[gen]

I think makoto’s cr mk has been changed, it trades or get beaten more and doesn’t seem to have the same range as in ae whn used as anti air.

[eiSH]

Was going to make a video on this, but I guess I’ll post it here too:

Juri

• Close Stand MK throw invincible 1f, considered airborne from frames 2-5

While it’s true 1f throw invincible, she is throwable after which leads me to question how she’s throwable while airborne =\

[Eternal]

Was going to make a video on this, but I guess I’ll post it here too:

Juri

• Close Stand MK throw invincible 1f, considered airborne from frames 2-5

While it’s true 1f throw invincible, she is throwable after which leads me to question how she’s throwable while airborne =\

This one was mentioned in the official patch notes. Previously in AE2012 she was airborne from first frame but they removed that for many moves and changed it to be unthrowable 1F then airborne 2F onward.

Anyways, as for being throwable while airborne. There are some throws that hit airborne:

Air throws
Rose’s soul throw
Hakan’s oil dive
Hugo’s back breaker (I think. It might be a strike like El Fuerte’s leg throw and Abel’s falling sky.)
Guy’s bushin flip throw
Cammy’s hooligan throws

I think that’s all iirc. (just going by memory)

I think feis mk chicken wing has had its physics changed when hitting airborne making it more difficult to land ultra after

Already have it in the list, they changed the way the first hit causes knockback on air hit.

[dialupslim]

Since DJ’s Ultra 1 was buffed, it’s easier to link EX Air Slasher to Ultra 1, character specific of course.

[Eternal]

updated again with abel, e honda, thawk, hakan, and Ibuki

[Shinebox]

EX Headbutt causes NO pushback on block, only causes self recoil TEST REQUEST Simple, just see if when blocked the opponent moves at all or if only Honda moves

Honda only moves. The push back was severely nerfed. I can Ultra 2 him with Ken.

[eiSH]

Was going to make a video on this, but I guess I’ll post it here too:

Juri

• Close Stand MK throw invincible 1f, considered airborne from frames 2-5

While it’s true 1f throw invincible, she is throwable after which leads me to question how she’s throwable while airborne =\

This one was mentioned in the official patch notes. Previously in AE2012 she was airborne from first frame but they removed that for many moves and changed it to be unthrowable 1F then airborne 2F onward.

Anyways, as for being throwable while airborne. There are some throws that hit airborne:

Air throws
Rose’s soul throw
Hakan’s oil dive
Hugo’s back breaker (I think. It might be a strike like El Fuerte’s leg throw and Abel’s falling sky.)
Guy’s bushin flip throw
Cammy’s hooligan throws

Um… Yes – I know air throws can throw people out of the air. I’m saying she can be regular thrown on those “airborne” frames.

[risemix]

Gouken
EX Tatsu (on successful 1st hit) hitbox on hits 2-7 dramatically increased (note this is the lock in version of EX Tatsu. It only refers to when the move has actually connected the first hit.)
EX Tatsu floats lower on hits 2-7

This is not “undocumented.” It was added after the final location test to ensure that Poison doesn’t drop out of the move. She still does, so oops!

MP Rush Punch now starts moving forward 1F sooner? TEST REQUEST They did change when the physics start but rounding may mean this change did nothing. If they changed when MP Rush punch’s earliest physics frame then it should have also changed how far he travels overall very slightly.

This is undocumented, but if true, only matters in one specific case: combo from low strong and far stand strong, which I believe is intended was work at better ranges since Super and has never quite worked right.

Not an unlisted, just poorly explained change: Back throw now techable 1-17F because previously you could actually tech the move too QUICKLY due to the offset tech window since the move has a slower startup.)

This one is infuriating: when I brought it up on reddit, I was downvoted to oblivion, but it’s true. Gouken’s back throw is techable earlier in AE2012, which means back throw now has a massive tech window. Combofiend claims the tech window is 7 frames instead of the usual 5, but it’s more like** 17 instead of the usual 5. **

MP Gohadoken cannot hit crouching (This was likely because of Hugo but it might affect something else due to the fact now it can’t hit crouching PERIOD even if they extend their hurtbox way up with like a shoto crHP or Bison’s crHK slide)

Weird, but not a terribly big deal. I don’t think Gouken could hit most crouching opponents with MP hadoken anyway or would normally aim to try to hit them with it. If it stops some weird abuse cases like hitting crouching Hugo (shouldn’t have been possible except up close tbh) then I’ll take it. Better stop accidentally using negative edge, I guess.

[Eternal]

Gouken
EX Tatsu (on successful 1st hit) hitbox on hits 2-7 dramatically increased (note this is the lock in version of EX Tatsu. It only refers to when the move has actually connected the first hit.)
EX Tatsu floats lower on hits 2-7

This is not “undocumented.” It was added after the final location test to ensure that Poison doesn’t drop out of the move. She still does, so oops!

MP Rush Punch now starts moving forward 1F sooner? TEST REQUEST They did change when the physics start but rounding may mean this change did nothing. If they changed when MP Rush punch’s earliest physics frame then it should have also changed how far he travels overall very slightly.

This is undocumented, but if true, only matters in one specific case: combo from low strong and far stand strong, which I believe is intended was work at better ranges since Super and has never quite worked right.

Not an unlisted, just poorly explained change: Back throw now techable 1-17F because previously you could actually tech the move too QUICKLY due to the offset tech window since the move has a slower startup.)

This one is infuriating: when I brought it up on reddit, I was downvoted to oblivion, but it’s true. Gouken’s back throw is techable earlier in AE2012, which means back throw now has a massive tech window. Combofiend claims the tech window is 7 frames instead of the usual 5, but it’s more like** 17 instead of the usual 5. **

MP Gohadoken cannot hit crouching (This was likely because of Hugo but it might affect something else due to the fact now it can’t hit crouching PERIOD even if they extend their hurtbox way up with like a shoto crHP or Bison’s crHK slide)

Weird, but not a terribly big deal. I don’t think Gouken could hit most crouching opponents with MP hadoken anyway or would normally aim to try to hit them with it. If it stops some weird abuse cases like hitting crouching Hugo (shouldn’t have been possible except up close tbh) then I’ll take it. Better stop accidentally using negative edge, I guess.

For this list, anything not here is counted as unlisted: http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofiend/blog/2014/05/22/usfiv-final-character-change-list
Note in Combofiend’s post he says

Over the last two weeks I’ve been providing you guys with character change videos. Although each video contained some pertinent changes you should look out for, it was by no means a representation of ALL the changes going into said character. This list that I’m providing today however, is a representation of all the changes you can expect to play with in Ultra SFIV.

So be sure to study up on your characters frame data and envision how these new changes can be applied to your game. And don’t forget to pre-order the digital upgrade through PSN or visit your local GameStop to make sure you get the exclusive costumes for the five new characters.

There’s only a week and half left, it’s crunch time folks!

EDIT: There were a few changes that were off slightly. The list has been updated with corrections.

To further clarify, the changes here are from AE 2012 to Ultra Street Fighter IV. I know that some of you have been following Ultra closely and know about the Japanese Arcade changes, but seeing of how no one had access to that version, putting the Japanese Arcade changes to console version may end creating tons of confusion that I’d prefer to avoid.

As far as I’m concerned if it ain’t on this supposed final and complete list it’s unlisted.

[Hitenryu]

Do you know if they changed ryus waking up hurtbox, seems like its been changed

[Da_Knut]

DJ’s far st.HP doesn’t always launch properly on CH.

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Deejay
L/M/H Super pushbox added from startup until 2nd active frame. (Was there an issue with it whiffing/going over stuff or something?)
Air Slasher chip increased included changing both hits of EX Air Slasher from 12 to 15 chip (now does 30 chip on block instead of 24)

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Super xx ultra 1, didn’t always combo in AE 2012

[Eternal]

Do you know if they changed ryus waking up hurtbox, seems like its been changed

Not as far as I can see, probably just due to changes to other moves + whatever in-engine changes they did to try and fix unblockables but failed.

DJ’s far st.HP doesn’t always launch properly on CH.

Here is the deal with that

First off, counterhit vs crouching never launches only vs standing or airborne. Secondly the 1st active frame of Deejay’s far HP (which actually does have a decent hitbox unlike the other 3) never launched on counterhit before. Only if you hit on 2-4F. And lastly, and likely the culprit, the only change they made was that counterhit vs AIRBORNE on the 1st active frame causes a juggle state. They didn’t change counterhit vs standing on the 1st active frame as far as I can tell.

Can you try in training mode to hit on the first active frame with dummy set to counterhit to verify this?

[Angerus]

About E.Honda, let me clarify on that.
He has basically no pushback if EX headbutt hits during the first 2 active frames (making it very punishable on block). Juri can do cr.HP xx whatever for max damage.
If EX headbutt hits during later active frames (from midscreen or farther) it has a bigger pushback but still less than AE2012’s.

I think they made this decision because Honda can still fadc his headbutt in those 2 active frames to make it safe.

[tali]

Kens hk air tatsu got a big hit box buff
I think his cr. Mk got the hurt box reduced

[Shinebox]

Whoever tests USF Ken’s cr.MK

Make sure you do not use Super or Vanilla Ken to test it. They will win as his cr.MK had 4 active frames before. You have to test it with AE or AE2012 Ken.