oni isn’t really hard to play his footsies are damn good. He is very fadc demanding though if you want any real damage imo. his st.mk is a 2hit move correct? amazing actually wish goukens was too. I personally am maining cammy right now so u can’t say on oni’s mu differences but. I do know oni struggles with characters that rush down. cause of his inability to fireball well and his short distance bd which I personally think shoulda been buffed.
I really dont know very much about the new characters. Can you explain what is so bad about Rolento?
Dudley/Will Smith is a 7-3 matchup
To be honest, this is just wrong. Without even looking at any data comparisons, Oni would easily have the median and above meterless punish for the game (Put’s bat sign up to Eternal).
He has no reversal , which means once he’s knocked down he only has the game mechanic options of backdash or block. If you pressure Rolento with normals on wake up, he can’t reply with anything offensive unless he chooses to wake up Ultra.
His AA game isn´t great, also his wakeup game is weak(This is intended, look here[details=Spoiler]http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/jan/28/combofiend-rolentos-biggest-weakness-his-wake-poison-can-fight-guile-match-changes-when-she-gets-feels-ucw-balanced/[/details]. He said it 7 months ago. Worst wakeup game it seems like.) Also Rolento mains feel that he needs a higher walkspeed.
Rolento should never have a wake up, scrubby Rolentos online making the already bad experience even worse with dumb rolls. It’s not Day 1, it doesn’t work anymore…
>punish roll with c.mk x lk axe kick RFADC U2
>rolls again
I swear
This. ^
Gets to the point where I’m mad for winning.
You don’t even have to block it, just press a button as he’s rolling towards you
I’m still getting caught by the stupid pogo pixups, I hate that stuff, zeven tho you only need to jab it. I feel like it nevers works when I need it to
Its not that he’s “so bad” its what he is good at isn’t exactly what would make a solid character. He struggles alot vs characters such as cammy, akuma and dudley. rolento is misconceived to be “impossible” to punish and its sad lol please read up on his frame data.
Keep in mind that you’re playing a rolento that’s only a couple months old against a lot of 1-5 year old dudleys, cammys ect. He’s still being discovered
Dude, were talking two different levels not scrubby mash mode players, pro level. His punishes only land if his opponents mess up. so he’s reliant on fadc to extend towards more opportunities for damage not just MORE damage in general more hit confirm opportunities in general. Oni can’t just get in for free so thats why I said so.
I don’t even get hit by the gimmicks unless I’m using a charge character and it lags. He’s just dumb. At least Blanka can be dumb and play footsies. Rolento is just flat out dumb.
If you read matchup guides I wrote on the oni forums i actually frown upon wake up stomps and slashes. Scrubby unsafe move that shows you cant deal with the neutral game and dont know your options.
If you play against anyone that knows the matchup you have to play your ass off to win, your not gonna shenanigan out a victory with oni, that shit only lasts so long your gonna get figured out.
-edit if i had it my way i would have onis stomps and cross up slash taken out of the game. why give him moves that dont work on anyone good and also creates the attitude that you just displayed. you think any oni that complains just wants to win with easy mixups and free lol stomps. I say take that shit out and make his neutral game stronger then youll have a good character.
296 for optimized bnb meterless. How often you actually get that combo on anyone good is another matter because really, whos gonna be -5 point blank next to you consistently other then reversal happy guys? Hes 12th place for meterless punishes.
with 1 bar hes at 17th place for optimized meterless punish.
The other dude is right, you spend a lot of bar in real play converting off of crouch mk fire ball into said punish. If your lucky and your max range crouch mk into fireball actually combod and didnt randomly drop like it does(same with stand light kick into fireball fadc) it changes into a 300 something combo. that 400 something optimized 2 bar combo you almost never get on anyone good. Like seriously who lets me walk up and frame trap you point blank with crouch hp or stand hp all the time into huge damage when im loaded with 2 bar? its not like those buttons are dudleys stand hk where i can wiff punish with them.
Just eat the throw at worst, because oni doesnt even have mixups off his forward throw, the only mixup is meaty or not or kara throw, basic shit everyone has an answer to.
-edit
Seriously, this is basic walk up frame trap kara throw block string shit im talking about. Im not neutral jump dive kicking you, im not cutting my jump short and baiting dps, im not command grabbing you, im not vortex and ambiguous left right high low mixing you up repeatedly till you die. If your defense is that bad to where i can consistently walk up and frame trap you and you dont change how you tech at all or dont let me in then idk what to tell you, your probably gonna lose to oni and a lot of other rush down characters+vortex chars that get in much more often.
I just DP it if they do it raw. That crap is unsafe on counter hit.
Makoto DP doesn’t work well against it 
Don’t know if you’re talking about me, but I’m assuming you are so I’ll bite.
Note that this discussion started because I lised Dudley/Rolento as 7-3 and mr MochaLatte disagreed (or rather questioned) with my opinion. I simply stated how I feel the matchup plays out, and ended up stating that the matchup is indeed heavily in Dudley’s favor. I did not complain about him beating Rolento, nor did I say I wanted Rolento to beat Dudley any easier. I just stated my opinion on a matchup I’ve played quite a few times.
Also, I wasn’t trying to take a shot at you Mocha when I mentioned when you downplayed the Dudley/Sagat matchup, I just said it to show that you have previously downplayed a matchup that has been played for years, and is almost universally agreed to be widely in Dudley’s favor (7-3 or better). I know we all downplay our own characters to a certain extent, but you can’t sit here and tell me Dudley doesn’t outright dominate Sagat.
Also, keep in mind that this was BEFORE they removed the invincibility on EX Patriot Circle.
I know the Dudley/gat matchup is bad, I just don’t think it’s 7-3 bad. 7-3 is gief/gat or bison/guile territory. I think if you devote more time to learning the matchup it won’t seem so hopeless. I was compelely convinced that Vega/dud is a 7/3. After watching my faults with the spacing and working on the right way to counterpoke/antiair Vega, I think that at worst it’s just 6-4 . As the level of play gets higher the closer it gets to 5-5 since there are a few more ways I can mitigate the difficulty with enough practice.
I don’t downplay duds, imo his only bad matchups are Vega and juri at 6-4
And a laggy chun-li, laggy chun li owns dud 7-3 easy…
People devoted the time to figuring out this MU. It’s still seems really hard and in the 7-3 bad.