USF4 | Tier List Thread (updated October 2015)

So close, but… Nowhere near…

We need vf4 create a A. I. mode. Would be so cool. Create a good flowchart Ken. Have money matches. One can DREAM.

Considering Cody’s towards the bottom of every tier list, what do you think he needs to improve, realistically? I wonder if Capcom’s actually going to fix his ultra 2 (it still misses on grounded opponents even if the dust connects from certain distances). That 40 damage reduction really hurt!!!

His opinion is a bit different.^^

His cr lk should be at least +3 on hit.

If “up there” he means up there in mid-tier I agree with him.

Cody sucks vs people that know the matchup… he blows up people that dont…

Bingo | Unchained is an example of that. BJ is a great cody but the shit he gets away with is murder. People dont know how to punish his shit as noone plays him.

he depended on safe jumps to maintain pressure vs most chars [you cant os jab vs reversals faster than 7-8 frames safley depending on a 4/5 frame safe jump]
With shit tier walk speed, spending a round chasing a mobile char down and losing pressure due to DWU is an issue.

He is still free on wakeup. Jabs/strongs recover before zonk is active and you trade with ex ruffian with delayed “Big Boy/Grown Man” frame traps as well as throw him out of it if you chose that option. Both of his reversals are free to the setups that blow up DWU and regular wakeup unless you have a vertical reversal.

He is still slow as fuck.

He still lacks a low confirm.

He still lacks a way to blow up stand tech outside of an unsafe option on wakeup.

High-mid tier my ass.

Then again bison is top 10 according to him so :confused:

#Eternalwhereyouat?
#SaltMineCraft

Ironically he has always done well vs some complained about chars.
Cody vs Adon, Fei, and Ultra Rose are matchups i would use him over any other char i can play. Dunno why momochi used juri.

Cody barely passes for mid-tier now.

I’ve never paid much attention to Cody since Super, cause I wanted to play him. All I know him now is the character that gets bullied by my main, and I abuse unblockables with my secondaries.

Ken Bot on XBL. Money matches? YO THAT COULD MAKE US RICH! 9/10 matches would result in a win.

http://i.imgur.com/8s5Fv.jpg

HAHA, i’m glad the ken bot guy recorded this match because i forgot to save it.

That’s modder extraordinaire Dantarion’s bot (one of the leads on Project M for Smash Bros and the main creator of the SF4 mod tool)

Gotta admit, the ending and that throw during ur ultra 2 made me laugh too much.

whoa, that’s cool! i’m a big fan of his, apparently. project m and ken bot are both awesome.

haha, yeah, that is the best part. i had nightmares because of that grab. the orbs used to make me feel safe.

He should really make a Blanka Bot and Viper bot, no doubt that thing would get 5k PP in a month.

A Viper bot would be pretty hard to do. Anything with air qcb would probably create a lot of issues.

Yep, but it’s possible. Probably not worth putting in the time though for a few lols on YouTube.

blanka doesn’t have a good invincible move, thats the issue.

Can SF4 a.i. still abuse charge moves without charge? If so, GuileBot would definitely get 10k pp within a few months.

Giefbot scoops everything

I don’t know but they can do frame perfect charging which not even dieminion does lol. Also remember, the dantarion bot is separate from SF4 entirely. He isn’t using the SF4 AI to do it, he is running a 3rd party program he made that reads the memory of the game telling it what scripts are currently being used as well as the positions of objects on the stage. Then he has the bot act according to preset weights and commands. Similar to HOW the AI works in SF4 but a bit better programed to take into consideration things like super freeze and has a better sense of spacing. It however doesn’t run through SF4 AFAIK, the game still thinks he is human for all intents and purposes because it still has to input all of the motions/commands/ect just like a person would it’s just doing it like autokey.

Also, given this is Dantarion he should have done: DanBot. Seems so obvious.

What’s people’s opinion on Ken? Any reason to pick him over, say Evil Ryu? Ended up going back to him today after I lost with my rusty main in tournament, then Rose online on 56k like connection. I don’t think DWU affects him so much, havent got any solid setups with him yet, been just going with feeling which worked most times.

I feel like he’s lacking in something but not sure what.

Well, imho if you put Evil Ryu into comparison more than 70% of the whole cast are not worth picking up.

IDK what Ken is lacking tho other than solid damage from a far ranged poke and a comboable non-EX move that puts you in Ken’s ideal range while being + on hit. Maybe 2 active frames on his cr.MK :wink: