I think people rely on it rather badly. I think this needs mention. I beat a Fuerte at Chinatown Fair a while ago. and it didnt feel random at all as I was able to control the match. He had no gimmicks and kept tryiing to setup RSF via focus attack (lolol q-bomb and last second grabs)
I can’t do it (yet), but while I do see it’s importance I think it also needs to be said that you should not RELY on it. It is PART of your game and should be used when the time and setup is right. If you don’t think the opening is big enough for it, don’t go for it.
That one match with that player showed me that while you do need it, you must not become drunk with it’s power, that you forget everything else.
It’s obvious that cl RH -> Guac is worthless. Look how slow close RH is… if you have a wide enough opening for cl RH -> Guac you could have gotten RSF. I think Cl RH xx Guac is good as a FINISHER when you know it will finish the round
Yatta! Day by day, I’m getting closer and closer to doing it consistently. I tend to get blocks, but I’m not freezing up like I usually do. After this, it’s time for RSR.
But yes, Densuo is right. We should not look at RSF as the center of your game. At the end of the day, it’s about mixups. Yes, it can be difficult to win just by those, but it’s doable.
I mean that you have to use everything. I’m pretty sure most players will git scurred when you get the rsf. I think once I land one, I’ll start turtling just to see if the opponent stays scared ( clock kill~) or gets frustrated leading to setups and perhaps another RSF
I know what you meant. At the very least, doing one RSF loop will is absolute psychological warfare. Still, I would center around mixups while using other tools when I can. I wouldn’t necessarily be after RSF, but I would take the opportunity if present.
I was playing somebody today and I didn’t rely on RSF at all, I didn’t try to set it up or anything, and I did a lot better than usual so what Densuo and KumaOso said is spot on.
It really is. I only use it punish whiffed Blanks UpBalls since (online) the recovery appears near instant, but forunately that UpBall is not a threat on the way down.
ON RSF I can consistently do 2 hits + Slide. I really think that my timing on the 2nd hit is too soon (those shoto crumple animations are the death of me and I am too scared if mash 360 to try vs. Gief or Thawk) thus making that 3rd hit whiff (far fierce) and I just go for slide if only to get that knockdown.
I’m also having problems after the 2nd hit. I’m just wondering for all you 10+ hit RSFers. Is the rhythm the same constantly or do you have to alter the speed each time?
Right now I’ve found a perfect rhythm for Fierce to come out 100% but usually after the 2nd hit it ends up as far Fierce (I hate far Fierce), and if I try to run a split second longer, combo dropped and I eat mashed reversal. Sometimes I’m content with being able to do 2 consistently and 3 on occasion, but it doesn’t feel satisfactory enough when I see players like gipie doing 4+ every time
Yeah the most important parts about a consistant rsf is the delay between run and stop, and getting the perfect plink / piano / kara timing of lp and hp to get that fierce out immediately. I’m getting 3 hits more consistent in matches now, and those are the two things I practice before going out.
But like densuo said… rsf is a very powerful tool, but you can’t make it your game. You gotta play fuerte for all his tricks. Be ready for when you see that rsf opening though…
OK thanks people. Unfortunately it seems RSF is even harder than I had first imagined. I only started hitting it in matches last month, and I had been working on it since June. Even after all this progress I’m still a good way off. I’ll keep at it though
And I wouldn’t say it’s bad if you can’t do RSF, I mean we all learn at different rates, right? Important thing is that you keep practicing
Might be able to help, dunno If this was posted already. One pitfall I encountered while learning RSF(still gets me if I stop practicing) I would crouch on like 3 or 4, so you have to remember to think while you’re rsfing: Fierce–>qcf. Sometimes I would either panic or just screw up the motion and I’d do fierce and the quarter circle at the same time and get a crouch. Second pitfall was: I would input light punch too early or not finish my qcf motion and I wouldn’t get a run.
Aside from that, it’s the timing from when u run and when you stop fierce that keeps you going. The timing between the stop and the fierce is a little tricky too but those two things are just mashing out in training mode. If you get the timing perfect between RS and SF you can actually be max range for the RSF and just keep going. I don’t know how to adjust my RSF if I’m inputting slightly fast or slightly slow yet. Just have to practice everyday >_<, nothing more demoralizing than being rusty at RSF and having to retrain.
I wanted to thank you guys, I’ve been working on my RSF for a little while and this thread has been fantastic. In fact, this whole Fuerte forum has been kick ass.
Keep on practicing!
Also, Who is the best (read: hardest) to practice RSF on? I’ve gotten up to 7 hits on Akuma, but I’m starting to think his hitbox is wonky. Ryu seems the hardest. Should I be working on him primarily? Thanks in advance!
Try getting more then 3 on hakan I swear he has one of the wonkiest hitboxes ever. Other annoying people to rsf include guile and Rufusfor non focus attacks he has a real animation thats worse then ryu’s
And other then starting RSF on him Ryu is a pretty easy person to rsf
Man I still have trouble with RSF. I either stop the run too early or too late and the fierce is blocked. When seeing others do it I feel that I’m doinng RSF way too fast.
I can RSF, but I’m so inconsistent.
Sadness.
I need more tips on how to nail the correct flow. I can do the execution without my brain exploding, but I need to do it correctly now :lol:
i find myself deliberately pausing after the first fierce and run start. try to find that sweet spot where you stop the run as late as possible while still getting it to hit.
the idea is to make the motion as natural as possible so that you can do the physical motion while not thinking about it so you can then think about how you’re timing it.
Sorry if this has been addressed in this thread already, but I didn’t want to go through 19 pages at work: is RSF even feasibly possible on pad? My brother has picked up Fuerte and I keep telling him if he wants to get good, he’s gonna have to learn the RSF loops. He finally wants to practice it, but it feels pretty much impossible on our 6-face Fightpad. I’m thinking maybe switching the config to utilize triggers could help, but I was wondering if there are any solid pad warrior Fuertes, or if I should tell my bro to not even bother? Thanks!
