Buk, would you consider remaking the teams? It’s an unfair advantage if only Cali people or Choi’s friends etc… get to team with the Japanese. Ness, cheese_master, and I for example want a chance to get Ohunki or somebody like him too. Can we draw lots or something?
Smoothcat and Nestor are good, but there’s no way I would take them over the fat Japanese guy or OTK. It should either be the Japanese only get to team with each other, or all us US players have an equal chance to get one of them. It’s really lame when two people do bad and the one Japanese guy (who doesn’t even train with them on a regular basis and is still in Japan right now) ends up carrying the team.
You guys tell me how team tournaments work then since I obviously don’t understand.
I don’t know what’s going through your head, Chang, but I thought you were a cool guy last year. Online you’ve been one of the most condescending and arrogant assholes I’ve ever met though. Piss off and don’t talk to me anymore online or off.
Its like a regular tournament, we all enter, and the best players work together and take away what little chance we had =P. At least in a team tournament you can try to find a good player that’s left and bribe them or make friends or buy them hookers or something and hope they beat 3 good people, since it’s single game anything can happen.
Team tournaments are events where people join up with their friends. Since most of the top players are buddies with each other, they usually team up with each other. Choi and his friends have been to Japan, housed them, become friends with them, so its only natural that they would team up with them. I seriously doubt they would join a team they were forced to join.
I think the problem is really in the format. Theres no ‘team’ in the team tourney… I say make each team not repeat grooves or characters, each team must use excatly 3 grooves and 9 characters. I think that would make it a little more team friendly… a litttle late for this tourney probably since people paid and all, but i do think it would be a better idea overall.
“ratio/team”?
does this mean each member get their own ratio formatted team?
or…
does this mean each member gets their own ratio character on the team?
The only US player that’s confirmed to team with the Japanese so far is Ricky, and I believe that was a mutual decision between both parties. He didn’t get to be on their team because he got hooked up, they actually spoke with each other about it beforehand. I also seriously doubt he’s going to be a deadweight member on the team anyway.
IMO the main reason for teams tournies is to have fun and be able to play a whole bunch of people you haven’t played before. If you want to go ahead and ask players to team up with you then that’s all on you to do it. No one is really stopping anyone from asking the Japanese if they want to form teams. The thing is if you have no way of contacting them, it usually means you don’t even know them to begin with, and therefore why would they consider teaming with you in the first place?
Having a random draw is good for people who want to get lucky and be placed on some really good team, but isn’t so good for people who have already made plans to team with two of their other friends. Also, what happens to someone who ends up stuck with two of the worst players in the tourney? Some people might not care, but I’m guessing most will be pissed.
Just team with whoever you can have fun with. Do you really want to win the tourney that bad? When it comes down to it, there will probably only be three-four “all star” teams that actually have a chance at winning anyway.
The point of this tourney isn’t to determine the best team in the world. It’s just to get a whole bunch of really good players together, give others a chance to play against them in a semi-serious environment, and to see high-profile matches that may not get the chance to occur during the singles tourney.
That might make things a little more interesting, but it would be way too hard to form teams for some people. Keep in mind that most people want to team with friends, and we WANT players to be choosing their best teams in order to get the best matches. I can imagine a whole bunch of people having to pick their second-tier characters just so they can fit a team criteria in this situation.
this actually sounds more fun, but yeah, a lot of people CANNOT play other grooves/characters and probably wouldn’t want to get screwed over. you could just choose players that play different groove/characters than you.
EDIT:
after people got a team and signed up, should the PM kim or email him their team name?
This is why i have problems with the team format, it’s actually just like singles since there’s no team management aspect to it, the best team == the three best players on the same team. Even if you do grab a game against a japanesee player, his teammates are ricky and another japanese player, Which is worse than singles where at least they will eliminate each other in the end.
The way to actually get to play people you haven’t played before IMO would be to run things like the US vs Japan format, 3 on 3 = 9 matches, 5 games wins the set. You now have a situation where the best player cannot just run the team, and everyone actually gets to play everyone else. Now this was shot down before because of time constraints i understand, but i’ve seen people run 2/3 team matches and i think this is a better alternative to that at least.
Because it’s not teamplay, it’s ‘find the best players you happen to be friends with’.
I think team tournies can add some depth to the tourney scene with some small adjustments, instead of just being a casualish side event.
I don’t think the scenario will be a bunch of people picking their second tier characters as much as players who wouldn’t normally be favored in singles suddenly having value as a teammate.
You make it sound like gymnastics instead of CvS2, it’s not rocket science to play more than 1 groove and 3 characters in that groove. If you want to play whoever you want however you want without consulting with anyone, IMO you should play singles, not teams.
Dont misunderstand me tho i’m not hating on this tourney anf i may be in it, just tossing in an idea to get more out of future team tournies
I’ve never really had a problem with the ‘team tourney’ format, but I have always felt it to be a bit un-teamy :xeye:.
I think the simplest way to make it more ‘teamy’ is run it how you used to run chess games in high school. You have people on your team seeded 1 to 3 (or 4, or 5, or whatever) and then the opposing 1’s play eachother, then the 2’s, then the 3’s, etc. The team with the most matches wins. This is a lot more ‘teamy’ for sure, and prevents 1 player from carrying the entire team. Just cuase they have Choi doesn’t mean you lose. Sure, one of you is gonna lose to him, but if your other 2 players can beat his other 2 teammates then you guys win. This method would also take less time to run matches :tup:.
The flaw with the above system is that you’re gonna get random situations where you’d be like 'oh if we moved him to the 2 slot he could counter their 2 cuase we know he plays P-Groove. Then you get all that switching to counter teams n etc. Ideally the best way is to do what OzHadou did for the Tekkan 5 ‘Sydney vs the rest tourney’. Same thing as above scenario except 1 plays 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5. Then 2 plays 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5. The 3 plays 1, etc. this way every player plays everyone else in the oppossing team, team with the most wins… wins. This completly eliminates any lone character solely carrying a team, as well as random counter matchups through prior knowledge, as you play everyone else anyway. The flaw with this scenario is that it takes for god damn ever. The CvS2 tourney started hella late cuase we were watching Tekkan 5 :rolleyes:.
This format seems a little less exciting than most others. Teams essentially play the same style throughout each round of the entire tournament, and there really isn’t any discussing of strategy amongst members regarding who ought to play who, or who should start/anchor/etc…
This also has the undesirable situation where one team loses the first two of three matches; thereby rendering the last match pointless. Say that happens to a team in first round winners AND losers. The guy who plays last on that team ends up contributing nothing (regardless of whether or not he wins/loses) to the team’s overall situation.
This format is faster, but that’s about it. It seems to cater more to matches where two rather large teams are facing off against each other, and there is a greater variety/balance of player skill levels.
This is a good format for something like a team vs team 5 on 5, but not so good for an entire team tournament. It would simply take forever to run.
Nevermind what I posted earlier. I misheard and turns out the only mixed team is Leezy, Keith, and “mystery player” and that’s cool with me. Team K-groove. This tourny is going to be great fun and I can’t wait. I’ve never seen an SBO style 3-on-3 like this in the US before. Nobody is ever willing to put in the time to run a pokemon format team tourney for CvS2 here where I live, so thumbs up to whoever’s running this…
Thumbs down to the Mago cheese team though. I’d post that picture of him, but I can’t find it at the moment.
You seem to forget that in the current format there are often times where the last player (or 2 even) do not get to play. Like I said earlier I really don’t have a problem with the current system used, but this is definatly more ‘teamy’ IMHO, and also more time efficient.
Not having to play means that your team won. Which means you have more chances to play in the next round. There also isn’t any rigid ordering of players by seed so the guy who didn’t get to play last round can actually start off as the first player in the next round.
Not having to play in the format you mentioned means that your match is irrelevant and doesn’t change the team’s outcome whether you win or lose.
I don’t think SF team tournies are ever run using that format.
IMO, the best format for teams with regards to being “teamy” and not take forever to run would be one character/ratio per person. However, there are a lot of people (myself included) who would much rather be able to control an entire team as opposed to just a single character. Most places outside of California run CVS2 team tournies that way.
The last person on our team really is a mystery player in the sense that he hasn’t confirmed yet. I didn’t want to list someone’s name, and then keep having to change it cuz the guy changed his mind about going or teaming up with us. So yeah, it’s pretty much a mystery even to me.
On a completely unrelated note, are a lot of you people out there planning to enter, but just haven’t signed up yet? Is there something about an online form of payment that just seems unappealing to the general public, or is everyone just waiting to confirm with a complete team?
I’d post that picture of him, but I can’t find it at the moment.