Is Vergil boring to play or something?
For Me Hes Too Predictable Because I Like To Rushdown So I Jus Stopped Using Him For Awhile
I honestly donât mind that a lot of people are using Vergil online as much as Vanilla Wolverine, because unlike Vanilla Wolverine, Vergil actually requires some semblance of execution to play well with, which most of his players wonât have.
Why would you not want him as an anchor when he has a 195% damage increase? heâs also fast as fuck and he can do air series into combo 3 time for a total of 1.4 mil damage.
X-factor lvl 3 is weaker for the majority of the cast but Wesker retained his retardedness. He still can combo into his gun with x-factor on so that makes him a great anchor as well, besides, the gun to combo was not even what made wesker good.
I think your really underrating how good wesker is in any position, best battery in the game, and one of the best anchors 170% damage increase in lvl 3 195% with lvl 4(no sunglasses) and his speed is also insane, if someone with the guide could tell me what his lvl 3 x-factor speed is, that would be nice.
He reminds me of ssbm Marth for lack of a better reference. Very spacing dependent with good range and damage. I like him i just suck at characters with no airdash.
Im running Shuma, Frank, and Wesker.
Shuma is a power plant and usually gets 25 hits off of one combo then I TAC to Frank for instant Level 3, then switch back to Shuma and repeat the process or kill the other dude if heâs a critical character on the other team. Then once I get Frank to level 4 I usually have 5 bars of meter and Wesker so I just start fucking people up with Frankâs invincible super.
I fought a dude that had a 14 game win streak with a Dark Phoenix team.
I put that bitch on the witness stand and hit her with some Ace Attorney when she fired a TK shot. Iâm not sure Iâve ever had a more satisfying moment the entire time Iâve played MvC3. Your time to pay for your crimes was long overdue Jean.
Yeah, same happens with Wesker. He requires too much skill to play, so youâll be seeing close to none online.
They think theyâre so much better than you after they win by a magic pixel of health. I swear capcom just makes these characters to appease these guys.
Holy shit SRK is getting so scrubby =/.
Phoenix Wright/Hawkeye/Nova for Ultimate anti dark Phoenix team.
Dark Phoenix vs Hawkeye: "Oh so you want to chuck fireballs from across the screen huh? NOPE!"
Gimlet has near instant startup, auto tracks the opponent and has an instant travel time.
Gimlet, X-factor, Gimlet or Gimlet, DHC. Dark Phoenix dies.
Dark Phoenix vs Nova: "More fireball spam? PINK TACO! Speed Tackle can be controlled and has bionic arm levels of projectile invulnerability.
PINK TACO! X-factor, POWER OF THE NOVA FORCE!!! or PINK TACO! DHC. Dark Phoenix dies.
Dark Phoenix vs Turnabout Wright "Oh you want to press anything? Well too bad TAKE THIS!"
Donât even have to explain this one⌠Dark Phoenix dies.
This is probably coming from a Vanilla BFF user.
Uh, I donât think this means what I think it does. What I think it means is very dirty indeed.
I play Chun Li and Shuma on the same team (even so, why would it be relevant if I played wolverine/akuma?). Stop raging at people beating you with halfway decent characters on a low-synegy team and l2p. Itâs no ones fault that you lost other than your own. Seriously it just looks pathetic.
Idk about you but I see allot of Weskers online. All of whomâs general strategy is Assist -> Gunshot -> Teleport, confusion, free combo, death. Having Wesker and Vergil on a team is a dread force to be recokned with. Wesker with Rapid Slash? Vergil with a better OTG? New BFF?
Thankfully if you can punish teleports pretty good you âshouldâ be fine.
Dont you know that is cool to hate vergil because he has a trenchcoat and a sword? Lest all hate him! Hay!
Now seriously, people comparing vergil to vanilla wolverine must be crazy, to begin is normals are -20 on block, rapid slash is not invincible and no retarded dive kick. He actually takes some skill to play, and is not overpowered at all, in my book is even mid tier. And maybe its just me, but i dont see allot of Vergilâs online, in fact i see more novas and frank wests than Vergilâs online.
Now about wesker, hes gun, that was the reason for is cheapness, has been nerf and thats all that matters. Now hes just very good, not broken, just a very good character, you know, good damage, good mobility, good mixups but not broken. Tell me one thing about wesker that is broken, and being easy to use in not the same as being broken.
And what i dont uderstand is why i see so many complaits about this guys, and so litle about Dr.doom retarded foot dive, halkeye 1 frame super, zero or even dormammu.
As a person who mains Vergil (with Firebrand and X-23), I can safely say that Vergil is not a derp character at all. In fact, heâs one of the tougher characters to just âpick up and playâ due to the fact that the majority of his moves carry extreme lag. His teleport is also slow and predictable.
Seriously, I donât know why people are complaining about him. If anything, he should serve as an interactive dummy for practicing your punishing skills. I will admit, though, that his range and damage are good. (For reference, his launcher covers more than half of the screen.) His overall utility is also pretty decent, but⌠no air dash!
In light of his laggy normals, I feel compelled to ask: What would you all say is a safe move to chain into if I wiff a normal with Vergil? I guess Dancing Swords sort of works.
As far as good characters for new players, my list is as follows:
-Iron Fist
-Nova
-Hawkeye (But please, actually learn combos and proper keepaway techniques)
-Ryu
-X-23 (As long you arenât immediately trying to do Mirage Feint combos)
-Zero (I think. For all his awesome combos, he doesnât seem too heavy on execution. Still, I could be wrong about that.)
-Wesker
-Frank West is looking to be this, as well.
Doomâs foot dive =/= Insta-Win
Doom requires a shitton of execution and practice to be good. Hell Iâve been practicing the Buktooth loop ever since I found out about it and itâs still tough to pull off. Foot dive to relaunch and then what? Thatâs the problem that alot of people are going to figure out once they decide to pick up Doom (unless theyâre already good with him)
Hawkeyeâs 1 frame super. Very easy to abuse and very easy to miss as well. Crap damage, can somehow STILL get hit out of (which Capcom I donât FUCKING understand 
), and hard to follow up on.
Zero is just plain fucking retarded, but he needs assists and execution if I remember correctly.
Dormammu is kind of the same. Heâs not too hard to go against if you make damn sure he doesnât even get a chance to breathe.
Yea vergil is yet to impress me tbh, his assist really isnât that good imo and I have found the cross ups it creates much easier to block that the teleport tatsu cross-up. He is really popular first week cause he is relatively easy to pick up, especially in comparison to the rest of the new cast, and while Im certain he is never gonna disappear into obscurity, by january Im certain we will see much fewer vergils. He is nowhere near is bullshit as wolverine at the moment and unless some nasty tech is discovered I donât see him ending up as bullshit wolvie.
The thing I noticed bout this game(and this is entirely subjective, feel free to disagree) is a lot of characters got really good, I remember when the changelog was shown and I heard complaints about a lot of characters, from zeroâs new tech, to dormammus buffs, to dr dooms dive kick, to magnetos gravitation, to weskers glasses, my point being that I am certain this game is going to be a hell of a lot more balanced than vanilla but more so than that, is that capcom took a different route with balancing that I really respect, instead of nerfing the top tiers, they took out the undoubtedly bullshit aspects(e.g. invincible berserker slash, hammer) but left the top tier with what made them good and took a couple of the bottom tiers and gave them shit to compete. I have no doubt there will still be bad characters, and there will be salt, but I strongly believe itâll be a lot less than vanilla.
Probably because doing WELL with Doom, Zero, or Dormammu is leagues harder than doing well with Wesker. Lets look at them each:
Doom - Even with the better foot dive, his combos are tricky, especially under online conditions. Landing a full doom combo consistently is beyond many people.
Dormammu - Difficult combos + doing his zoning adequately requires a pretty decent level of game knowledge. Heâs no where near the same galaxy as herp derp tier.
Zero - Going to do significantly less damage than Wesker unless your execution with him is good. His self relaunch is much harder to do reliably than dash forward down gunshot.
You might have a case with Hawkeye - heâs probably going to start being heavily played online soon (I already see a decent amount of them actually.)
I donât think anyone (well anyone reasonable anyways) is saying that Wesker is OP or any of the sort. It does get pretty annoying when thereâs such a massive amount of them online because the reward for putting time into Wesker comes much sooner than it does for most of the other top level characters. Wesker isnât necessarily better than Doom/Dorm/Zero, but heâs certainly requires dramatically less time to play at a decent level.
The other part of the Wesker rage comes from the fact that unlike other characters that you can play decently well with little time investment (ie: Hulk), his shit is considerably harder to consistently stop. If youâre playing Hulk #17174141 online, you can usually beat them reliably with good blocking and punishing since his shit is extremely predictable. Whereas with Wesker, youâre going to get hit by his teleport mixups far more often, even if you punish it more times than not.
Wesker right now is the UMvC3 equivalent of a flowchart Ken in terms of popularity/derpness, but has a significantly higher win rate because Weskerâs shit is actually good. People need to learn to deal with it, but you canât really fault them for getting annoyed with seeing the character in 80% of their matches either.