ULTIMATE Balance/Tier talk thread

I don’t get it, Capcom did a pretty decent job of de-derping the game, but they just left him alone. He’s weaker than Vanilla by a bit sure, but he’s just as stupid, and it was always the stupid I hated, not the OP.

Yea, it baffles me as to what exactly they were trying to do with him. It’s like they said, “Here’s the new status quo of the game. And here’s a character that ignores all of it. Have fun!”

Everyone’s dropping him lately because he feels so different from any previous Vs incarnation of him. Every other A Tier [Wesker, Zero, Dante] feels about the same give or take, but he feels drastically different to pilot. He’s still godlike IMO but it takes alot of time to get adjusted to being so much slower and having most of his BnB’s nerfed. No broken shit has been done with his new moves but time in the lab will probably change that. Once new Magneto gets fleshed out in the next month or so, he’ll start popping back up on streams again.

I’m pretty sad to see Yipes and Marlinpie dropping him though.

Well, MarlinPie is dropping him because the Viper synergy is gone, and his team was about Viper, not Magnus. Yipes is just switching to Nova, who if I have anything to say about it, is one of the best characters in the game.

Din0 is right. Magneto feels so weird to play now. I can’t put my finger on it, but he feels way less fluid. He doesn’t feel like magneto. Magneto has always had the magneto feel in the vs. games, but it feels like it’s gone now.

get the game please. now

Who is Marlin dropping him for?

shrug But If I had to guess,
Vergil
Strider
RocketRaccoon

Those three are becoming the go-to’s for Viper BFF’s, along with standbys like Dante and Ammy, and IM (who’s Unibeam assist is way better in this game).

I really hope its the raccoon!

After playing the game for a good bit…

S:
Dark Phoenix
Hawkeye
Nova
Strider Hiryu
Magneto
Vergil
Dante
Spencer
Wesker
C.Viper

A:
Zero
Doctor Strange
Doctor Doom
Dormammu
Ghost Rider
Akuma
Frank West
Nemesis
Captain America
Amaterasu
Trish
Ryu
Wolverine
Super Skrull

B:
Felicia
Taskmaser
Storm
Iron Fist
Firebrand
Chris
Rocket Raccoon
Iron Man
She-Hulk
Sentinel
X-23
Storm
She-Hulk
Phoenix
Phoenix Wright
Shuma-Gorath

C:
Morrigan
Spider-Man
M.O.D.O.K
Tron
Viewiful Joe
Jill
Haggar
Thor
Chun-Li
Hsien-Ko
Arthur

IMO, I see the tiers ending up similar to this. Thor still isn’t much better because he gets bodied by anyone with a decent zoning game. Dark Phoenix is still easily the best character in the game outside of Turnabout Wright. Wright is still better than most give him credit for.

Sorry, there’s alot wrong with that list. Enough that I am too lazy to address them all individually.

How exactly does the same character occupying two wildly different slots on a tier list make any sense?

Dark Phoenix wins games by herself. Reg Phoenix with her nerfs… not so much sadly.

FIrebrand is better than B tier

But they aren’t two characters…

People really need to stop listing them separately. it’s stupid and defeats the whole purpose of ranking the character at all.

Previously, it felt like Storm is a poor man’s Magneto, but in this game Magneto feels like a poor man’s Storm, more executional heavy to use and slower without actually doing much more damage than Storm like he used to. Most former Magneto players are playing around with the new cast + the Wesker/Doom/Dorm/Spencer that has grab the hype as being the old casts to be top tier in this game, but I am quite certain almost many former Magneto players will jump ship to Storm on the long run. The hate for the new Magneto is real and likely to be permanent, like F Champ said he feels like Fatneto in this game.

His team is about Viper, but he also rocks arguably the best Magneto in all of vanilla, on par with Fanatiq. I’m not convinced that Nova is A-tier yet. Even Fanatiq doesn’t look that sharp with the new Magnus.

wesker is fine. haters gonna hate.

you guys complain about his high health, capcom listened and he got a health nerf.

then theres the complaint about his samurai edge being too good and that was nerfed.

and didnt people say that wesker wasnt that good compared to the other top tier because of his subpar supers and lack of ToD combo?

well now maximum wesker can be mashed for shitload of damage and he gets a damage/speed boost after doing it.

if you ask me, they did a good job adjusting wesker.

Poor mags.

He’s still good, but everyone who has gotten really good with the character has to make too much of an adjustment.

For dante I literally went to training mode for 2 mins to change my bnb from H air play to MH stinger then it’s the same but even easier because the cancels.
Mags though? Too awkward to not use H early in the combo. Maybe they should of left him and just made his H attacks 10-15k weaker.

Well, imagine if he were actually somewhat difficult to use. There would be a Unity outcry!

Or something to that extent.

Mags looks kind of… lethargic now. Languid. It’s hard to describe. He looks like you just have to relearn him the most out of the old top tiers.