Damn Allen, just come over here and do that stuff yourself 
I can already tell you without looking at the game that j.MP, super does 380 damage, and j.MP, half ultra does 345 damage. Full ultra bumps that up to 398.
Gauro - Me, Kevin, and David played a little bit of Gouken and our honest opinions is that he isnāt that good. Itās not sonic boom recovery, bad normals, vertical anti air, etc.
Any changes to Zangief? Is his standing MP still spammable? Are his lariats still good? Ultra damage?
Letās not even start with the movie. For crying out loud, Shoryukens never leave the ground in it.
Thatās why I save myself at least $0.40 to let Jack kick my ass at CvS2 or MvC2. Thatās also why the frat hopes there are some people who will enter the tournament because they may be good amongst their friends after a weekās worth of gameplay but all they know how to do is spam Hadokens.
console changesā¦ anyone?
There are no console changes in terms of balancing. All they did was add stages and add characters. Sagat still has all the tiger knee, standing roundhouse bullshit.
Bwahaha.
I called it, I had a feeling Gouken was not going to be Top Tier. Gaurov kept insisting he would replace Sagat as the king of SF4.
Goukenās playstyle just doesnāt look top tier. The current top 4 can just sit around and wait for openings to come to them - Gouken has to work hard and push/zone for a back throw/EX Senkugo/j.Fierce or fish for parries just to compete. He loses in pure fireball wars (Sonic boom recovery? More like hadouken recovery) and his AA is pretty terrible.
Matt, that girl I was with this morning managed to record me getting my shit ruined by your Honda. Good stuff.
Danny, have you been talking to Derrick about getting BB, or Akysys games? Or are you not at liberty to say?
I swear, with this much effort youāre putting in, Iām going to have to give Blaz Blue a try, too. I hope you will teach me some stuff though. Taokaka for fun 
What the hell I unlocked all the characters (including Gouki) except Gouken. How do I do fight him. Iām about to faint from lack of sleep.
edit: nvm, unlocked everyone. whew, that took forever
:lol:
I was just curious since Danny didnāt really address my last post (or he didnāt see it). If BB does show up at UCD, Iāll be glad to help anyone learn the game as best I can (I learned the game in about a day and a half). The learning curve is not very steep, and thereās a lot of good info on dustloop.com to get anyone new started. The game is nowhere near as complex as Guilty Gear is, so that shouldnāt scare anyone off from playing.
BB definitely sounds good and I wouldnāt mind learning. I only got to play it for less than ten minutes at SVGL using Taokaka. My impression is that combo strings are easy to do and any button combination will produce something. Need to find out more.
I think playing with all of the sf4 characters helped me learn a lot about why people choose certain characters and how theyāre using them. Iām really starting to like Blanka. Maybe I should go join Aure, Nathan, and David and start maining him :lol::lol::lol:. And Abel is easier to use than I thought. El Fuerte is a terrible character. 5 minutes into training mode and Gouken comes out as a disappointment. etc. etc.
are Seth and Gouken tournament viable? Are there others that exceed sagatās god tier?
Iāll be at the MUGA tomorrow, 12:30-1:30pmish like usual. Do people still play despite the screen situation?
join team abel elbow to ultra
marvel tourney? sweet!
Gouken and Seth will probably be as high tier as Akuma at best. Gouken has the damage output and the silly combos to be top, but he has to work a lot harder to make things happen. If he can keep you cornered and pressured then gg
Iām not entirely sure on Seth yet, because I havenāt been able to see if his teleport is safer/unsafer than Akumaās. He takes terrible damage and his combos only do about as much damage as Vegaāsā¦ but on the other hand he can poke and runaway like Akuma, and has more psychic punishes (EX D Engine and Ultra will both punish whiffed anything)
I have talked to Derrick about the game and am trying to get it from him. Have you actually played Derrickās version? It looks fine via the pics he sent but as always electronics change. Anyways it looks like if the upper bosses ok it we will be getting it. Iāll let everyone know the status. I would like to get it here before the next tourney.