Patients go to ER for flu?? That’s the the job of the GP to decide
Hospital shit costs so much because they can’t turn poor people that can’t pay away, they need to be able to do that. People know that even if they can’t pay for it, hospital has to take them. So people use it as a one stop shop for everything, rather than paying for the doctor or for shit they can’t afford. This drives costs up. So those of us who do pay our bills, get raped with the 20 buck tylenol to cover the people that don’t pay.
You want to see what distributing the cost looks like, it’s the bills that roll out of your hospital.
I don’t know where you are from, but in the United States anyone can walk into the ER and be seen. They might have to wait 6 hours, but they will still be seen.
Get out of the big cities and you’ll see we have our fair share of fatties.
UK, we have GPs (family doctors) that are assigned to when we move into an area. They will deal with the day to day stuff, colds, flu, aches and pains, most of the time its old people diabetes, medical check ups etc. Major stuff the like broken legs, heart attacks, head injuries etc we’d go to a hospital.
My brother tore his calf muscle, it heeled then he tore it again, after that it wouldn’t heal. He was basically limping around for 2 years because he couldn’t afford to take time off from studies. He eventually went to the GP they referred him to a professional at the hospital the same week. He did physio with them for about a month, didn’t help then referred him for an xray and CAT scan the following week. They diagnosed the problem and now he is fit and healthy again.
All free!
I got health care through my work.
9 months later, I regret that shit. Haven’t had time to visit a doctor in that time and shit is is bleeding my check over it. I am down for any reform where I don’t have to pay as much and get comparable services.
yeah its the same in virtually all fields across the country though. It’s called the Brain Drain. Been happening for years. So by lowering health care costs and bills, people seem to think American doctors and nurses will flee…where exactly? Mexico?
lmfao him posting that was so awesome. I can almost imagine the little kid running up to me, tugging on the sleeve of my jacket repeatedly, while saying 'hey mister, looky what I found, mister’
then I fucking backhand that kid and put him in his place:
why the fuck should I care about a solitary american news article posted HALF A DECADE AGO that barely has fuck all to do with your shit.
This thread should be renamed “watch the GD trolls get fucking obliterated by the rest of GD”
seriously??? No comment, you pathetic fuck. I hope the hospital turns down all of the inbred fucks you call a family, you waste of everything
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.
So you think hospitals should be able to turn people away because they don’t have insurance, or don’t have a way to pay the bill at the time of service? So if somebody doesn’t have 3 grand in cash in their wallet, fuck em?
I want to make sure I understand what you’re saying here, because that seems so blatantly fucking insane that I have to double check.
In some cases yes, that’s one of the main reasons costs are so high. You do not get to complain about high medical costs and support everybody being able to go to the hospital for any reason.
A hospital is not a clinic, and it’s not a GP. However, since they can’t turn people away, people show up to the ER for all sorts of stupid shit and use it as one. Then they just don’t pay. ER services are insanely expensive and don’t actually run a profit for the hospital, they help drive them into debt. When you have a ton of people that don’t even pay for them, and the hospital has no way of getting the money back and has to eat the bill, they raise the cost of everything on everyone else. For those of us who can pay, that money comes out of pocket, for those of us with insurance the hospitals rape the hell out of the insurance companies who then have to raise their costs on everybody else and reduce benefits to cover the damage.
Before you rail on medical costs and insurance companies, maybe you should check just who exactly it is that is driving these things up.
And it gets worse. Many hospitals go broke because of this sort of nonsense, or are so far in debt they have to take out loans from the government or banks to keep operating… costs go up again. Or if the hospital shuts down the same people that ran it into the grown flood another one and drive that one into the red, and costs go up again.
You should not be in the ER for random bullshit. You should be there for things that actually require the ER, a stab wound, hell even a broken limb unless it’s really nasty or at an odd hour does not require the ER. And if you require long term hospital care, you should be going to a GP or a specialist to get diagnosed for it, not running into the ER.
I would never be for turning someone away from the ER because they couldn’t pay for a gunshot, and that’s not going to happen. But until we can remove the people who are sucking cash out of the system by using the hospital as a doctors office, we can’t fix the system. Until we are willing to tackle and remove the people that are draining the system, crying over insurance costs and hospital bills is utterly insane.
We both know I think you’re a fucking idiot. I don’t need a lesson on what drives up health care costs. I practically wrote a thesis on the subject in here when one of the many threads about it came up.
The funny part about this entire conversation, besides you being batshit insane, is that everything you just said is pretty much most peoples’ argument as to why the health care system is broken and why we need a universal health care system. If we actually had universal health care, the strain on hospitals that you’re talking about wouldn’t exist. People could get the care they need and not depend on hospitals instead of primary care physicians that they can’t afford to go to. Thus they wouldn’t end up in thousands of dollars in debt to hospitals with no way to pay.
Further, why not just call it what it is? You don’t want to pay for anybody else. Which is ironic, because you doing just that with high premiums and the like that health care companies shove down your throat.
Bottom line, for profit health care is a broken system and people like you don’t want to have any kind of overhaul because you don’t like the idea of paying for somebody else.
i don’t see why we can’t have a double system, where if you want private health care you’re welcome to it, and if you can’t afford it, you have access to a national policy. it seems like that would be the best of both worlds and solve a lot of the complaints people have.
of course if something is free it’s not going to be as high quality as something that costs money; but at least you’re getting a certain level of care. right now if you’re broke and you have something bad and expensive happen to you, you’re completely screwed for the rest of your life.
Isn’t that basically the public healthcare option Obama wanted when he became President?? [media=youtube]AvWC2H9DafM[/media]
obama tried that, conservatives somehow convinced americans that it would be socialism and the idea got shot down, despite the fact that it was a free market sollution
frankly i’d much rather spend my tax dollars helping out sick people than shooting poor desperate people in iraq
I’m not against universal health care. When this came up before I said I’d be for it, or single payer, depending on how it’s laid out. I generally support that.
However, I can assure you that universal health care is not possible in this country with the political make up that exists today. You might as well be arguing for care bear blow jobs and unicorn farts and Santa Claus giving you a kidney transplant, because that’s just as possible.
While you’re at it, I want a rocket ship… which is actually more likely to happen then universal health care.
You’re jumping to assumptions here. First off, I have great health care. Most shit is free and the max I pay for something is like 10 bucks. And I don’t mind paying for others, I hate broken systems and I hate farcical solutions.
Well… we need a solution, and one that is politically possible, which rules out universal health care. Saying we need to fix things and offering up solutions that aren’t possible is pretty much saying not to fix it.
This is the logical course, but expect people to play the “I deserve top notch service like the guy who pays more” card.
Anyway, I doubt many people are left without service. They just can’t pay, which is an entirely different issue. I believe medical bills were the leading cause of bankruptcy for awhile (still?), which means they received service in exchange for bad credit for like ten years.
Just so we’re clear here, you’re comparing universal health care to mythical creatures??? And you’re saying that America can’t do something that Canada has been doing for almost half a century, because it’s “impossible”
The max I pay is SWEET FUCK ALL
I don’t get why people are so gung-ho about ‘not paying for others’. You do it with roads, schools, and soooooo much more. Even if you don’t have kids, your taxes are paying for schools FOR EVERYBODY. Even if you don’t drive, your taxes pay for roads FOR EVERYBODY. Even if you’re healthy, your taxes could be paying to heal EVERYBODY. Do you think that if little Susy from down the street breaks her leg, you’re seriously gonna get stuck with a 1200 dollar bill personally?
I hate how you are easily the stupidest person on this forum. Don’t sig this, don’t try for a 2011 Worst Poster award, don’t celebrate this. This is a very sad thing.
yet again, explain to me why America can’t do what many many many other countries can do???
America can’t do what other countries do because America is not those countries. It’s as simple as that. We aren’t Canada, we aren’t the Netherlands, we aren’t the UK, we just aren’t. Our demographics and cultural makeup simply isn’t the same, nor are the income levels across the various states or the income spread. So saying “but Canada did it” is utterly ignorant and stupid and requires an absurd amount of mental gymnastics and self induced reality distortion to remove all the differences out there.
Universal health care is a non starter because over half the country does not want it, over half the states don’t want it, it’s debatable if the federal government even has the constitutional ability to do it, and the companies we’d need to go along don’t want it.
You’d have better luck asking Santa Clause for UHC than actually getting it through government the way things are today.
Come on, this is a terrible reach. Roads and educations generate commerce and a country’s growth. Health care is ultimately an individual luxury. The costs to the payers and rewards are no where near the same.
I’m going to simply link a debate to this very topic. It gives reasoning for and against repealing the new healthcare act, and it does so without all the political angst and rhetoric.
Republicans and Democrats agree that healthcare needs to be reformed, but they disagree in the execution. Believe it or not, republicans have VERY GOOD ideas for healthcare reform, but THEY want to be in charge of it, not democrats. This entire battle is a political grandstand, and none of it is for the good of the people. For those of you saying we should just get rid of the whole thing, you should probably consider that this is the FIRST step in going forward to reform. It includes things that EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE wants (not getting dropped for pre-existing conditions, staying on parents insurance till 26 or so, guaranteed care when you get sick, etc). If you get what you want and the entire thing is struck down, then we just go back to square one where insurance wins big as usual, millions are without care, and you’re paying $7.5k just to get an ultrasound for your pregnant wife (that should cost around $900).
Let’s change what’s in the bill that you don’t like, instead of repealing the entire thing.
Edit: Healthcare is NOT a luxury. Cars are a luxury. A 61" plasma Flat screen HDTV is a luxury. Access to healthcare is a right that all people should have access to in a civilized society.
ttp://intelligencesquaredus.org/index.php/past-debates/americas-house-divided-economy/#dm-col-a