also hockey. I never got fat even a LITTLE until I stopped playing hockey.
I’m talking to you.
No one even knew what was in the fucking bill…“Now that we’ve passed the health care bill, we’ll find out what’s in it” my ass…
I love freedom of choice, and I’m not cool with being forced to buy health care, take that shit to someone else…
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The federal government should not be able to force you to buy a product. I could make a massive dent in the system by forcing people to buy veggies, give up red meat, force feed them fruit, and removing anything with corn from the system. But the federal government can’t force you to buy a product! And if you are OK with this, then you are inherently OK with the federal government forcing you to buy things, in which case how about purified gruel with vitamins, that would make a bigger dent then the farcical bill that they pushed through.
Bullshit, it’s one of the most epic slap downs of a President we’ve seen. He had to cave on all those things just to get scraps from the table, many of them from his own party, the exact warnings people were told would happen due to his lack of experience, got a shit bill, then his party lost control in congress, and all he’s got to show for it is… half the states suing against it and having it be reamed in court.
It’s not a blow against say Pelosi, or Dems in general, but it makes Obama look like either an idiot or a powerless fool.
He caved to his own people to get dogshit, then lost his party the house, and now is getting smacked around in court… way to go for your signature accomplishment.
I’d agree, but requires Obama getting elected in 2012, up in the air probably not if the Repubs aren’t stupid, and making gains in congress, very doubtful.
anybody think the citizens of the US would rather vote on health care in a referendum?
I still say you guys need to wise up and just get TRUE universal health care
We don’t supersize all our fast food.
actually it would. the more healthy people paying for insurance, the less everybody pays since as stated ad nauseum and evidenced in the car insurance industry where everyone is pretty much forced to buy insurance as well.
anybody in here from massachusetts? if so, how’s the healthcare mandate been working for you guys, i’ve heard it’s been fine. personally i’d rather have some sort of individual health insurance mandate/protection rather than a single payer system like canada or even korea bcuz after seeing canadian friends have to deal with waiting in queues and have to come completely out of pocket for surgeries that weren’t deemed necessary that my US insurance would cover no prob, i’m like fuck that.
This is a good concept in theory, but car insurance companies are still allowed to rail you for screwing up, allowed to deny you, and allowed to screw with you. A risk is a risk. Spreading the risk out works up till a certain extent, and then it just turns bad.
And you aren’t forced to buy it, and it’s also handled at the state level.
Our health problem can be summed up rather simply, lack of prevention, see just about everything. Obese, AIDS, cancer, those are just some, not all. Fat people, stop fucking eating soda and fast food, start paying more for what you eat, no more premade junk, and eat less. Cancer, cut it with the red meat, stop it with the well done foods, quit drinking things that come in plastic, and stop eating things high in fat, and quit smoking. AIDS, don’t have sex with people that fall into at risk communities and for fucks sake use a rubber. We can go on… diabetes, see the fat people! Heart disease, see fat people and cancer people!
Virtually all the big killers, or things that cost big bucks to treat, are entirely preventable. Yet for some bizarre (well, not really nobody takes an ounce of responsibility for their health and yet complains when it catches up to them) reason we don’t.
Emergency and after the fact care in the US is actually pretty amazing. A lot of doctors train here and then go back to their home nations to practice, and we lead the world in pharma research, we are on the top… we just have too many people doing to many things that get them way too sick to actually support it.
And the truth is, it doesn’t matter where this comes from. Medicare already it’s 19% of the fucking budget, and only 12% of this is discretionary (ie can be cut, out of the total, medicare, social, and defense total make up over 60 in about equal parts), if we remove the burden of people acting stupid from the private sector and went true universal taxes would fly through the roof. And it also doesn’t matter “more people in the pool”, that’s crap, the insurance companies actually don’t make dick per person, it’s a bulk deal that keeps them up and going and many rake in their major profits from side issues, not even medical.
Would I take a universal deal, yeah, probably depends on the specific policy. But until we attack the reasons we are getting sick, we are just creating a monster. Personally we’d need to attack the corn subsidies that get that shit in our food, crush the beef industry and the junk they put out, and there are a slew of other items and behaviors that if just a few were fixed, the cost would drop.
Till then, watch people get fatter and fatter, and sicker and sicker… and then ask those who don’t do stupid things to pay for it.
dunno who you’ve been talking to. Yes you have to wait a bit if you’re not in dire need of medical attention. I had a kidney stone diagnosed late last year. Went to a clinic for free. Went to the ER cuz I thought it could be something worse, waited for 30 mins, then had X-Rays done, was diagnosed, and they even sonic boomed the fuckers out after setting it up. FFS, my family doctor gave me some of the samples of pills he gets for painkillers as well. Total cost to me? Zero fucking dollars.
I’ve also had to go to hospitals for a severed toe, possible tetanus, and even an eye that was fucked up merely cuz of a contact lens, in the last couple of years. Never cost me fuck all, and I never waited that long (although I DID surprisingly have to wait more than I would have liked when I had to go in when I got my toe caught in a lawnmower…but I did get to watch most of the awesome movie Hudson Hawk on morphine).
Worst I’ve ever heard, was my grandmother (who has alzheimers) was told there is no point operating on her eyes when she got astigmatism because she’s over 90 and would probably die before it became an actual problem. We still had the option of scheduling surgery for her.
Doctors make a bit less money, and everybody never has to worry about emergencies.
you’re absolutely retarded and one of the worst people to exist on this planet if you think health care is bad for you
EDIT: yes, u still generally have to pay your family doctor for some shit. But it aint that much (if 20 bucks breaks you, you got bigger worries)
EDIT #2: by the way, I love all the “my canadian friend told me” stories. Every american who is against health care seems to have this one. I assume “canadian friend” means “Fox News talked about a Canadian” or some shit? Seriously, a prerequisite of telling a Canadian Friend story should include your fucking monkey ass actually researching Canadian health care before discussing stories you hear about it
EDIT #3: sorry, acedick posted:
I can go without a car, I can’t go without a body
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You know it! 
It was funny when Fox decided to bring us Brits and Steven Hawkings into this, we were all thinking WTF are you guys talking about!? Steven Hawkings wouldn’t be alive if it weren’t for the NHS. For most Brits, that was the first time they’d heard of Fox News, everyone lol’d.
Hospital shit is ridiculously expensive too. but people can get away with it because some faceless corporation far distant is paying for things.
imagine if a doctor had to try to sell a 50 dollar q-tip to little Susy’s mom after a visit. it’s preposterous.
The only thing i’ve personally heard that makes me wonder about the Canadian healthcare system is how canadian nurses and health care professionals tend to come down to the states because they can earn a lot more money here.
In the UK, the highest earners are Consultants, GPs who own their own practices, then locums (freelancers). It takes 20+ years of experience to become a consultant (field dependant) but because of the highly competitive nature of medicine it can take much longer for some (oh and the exams and interviews =/ ).
Why don’t we concentrate on getting the cost of healthcare down instead of forcing everyone to buy insurance?
Insurance should be for low frequency, high severity problems like cancer and shit. Not because some cocksucker hypochondriac runs to the doctor every time they sneeze. Check ups and shit like that should be paid out of pocket.
Insurance through employers is bullshit too. Think about it. The employer wants to save money, so they’re out there looking for the cheapest insurance. Insurers know this, so they cut shit out of their plans to make them cheaper. But your the one that’s going to be using the insurance, yet you have no say in what’s covered and what’s not. Hell, most people have no idea of what’s covered until their claim is denied and they’re wondering what happened.
I know where I work, the employer pays 75% of our insurance premium. How about they give me 65% of that 75% and I’ll go buy an indemnity policy with like a $5000 deductible to cover me if I get a break or something and put some of the rest the in a tax free medical savings account to cover any prescriptions or doctor’s visits I might have during the year.
Also, someone needs to look a pharmaceuticals. No doubt those fuckers create products designed specifically to treat symptoms and keep you alive instead of curing you. That way they get patients for life. Why cure AIDS when you can make drugs that treat the symptoms and make customers dependent on them for life?
Seriously, if they’re going to force people to buy insurance, they better force people to eat healthier, exercise more, and take part in preventative medicine.
Have you ever actually been sick? Like really, stay-at-the-hospital sick?
A thought just occurred to me, do you guys have to pay to have your baby delivered in a hospital??
How many ATM machines does your local have lol. I had to deliver some papers to a doctor, I wanted to get some juice but there was only one atm machine in the entire hospital and it was broken.
Hi, health insurance worker here. If you need insurance now, you’re still going to need it even if you get the industry to drop prices. Which, if it ever happens, won’t be by much. Which, will never happen anyway.
Right. Okay then. The next time your kid breaks his leg, your elderly mother slips and breaks her hip, the next time you need to go to the emergency room, the next time you’re admitted overnight or for a couple of days, let’s see you afford all those bills out of your own pocket.
No shit they’re looking for the cheapest plans. Wouldn’t you also? It’s a business, motherfucker.
People not knowing what’s covered is their own fucking fault. I deal with people transferring their insurance from the US all the time - I see your coverage documents and the contracts that you guys sign. Learn to read your coverage document like every other grown up, and you won’t have wasted your money.
Or, your government can learn to pay for most of your regular checkups and hospital admissions like nearly every other civilised country in the world.
I agree entirely. Pharmaceutical companies are the same all over the world. Higher prices for useless medicine means higher premiums and more unnecessary benefits paid.
Never going to happen, and none of those things will really lessen the need for health insurance. You could be as healthy as Captain America if you wanted, but there are innumerous common reasons why you could need to go to hospital.
Yes they do - be that out of their own pocket or whether through insurance coverage. It’s a hospital admission, so you’ll have the cost of the room, the obsetrician, delivery room, midwivery maybe, antenatal and postnatal costs for the baby, plus the anaethetist and any medication the mother or child may need afterward. Probably some other shit too that I’ve missed.
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Man that must be a tough job, how many people have you had to turn down that begged you to pay for their bills
In Alberta at least, nurses are overworked and underpaid. I’m not surprised they tend to get the fuck out of here.
But Alberta is the most hick of all Canada’s provinces, so while our healthcare is still more than acceptable (and free), they’re some… problems. And good ol’ hick Alberta keeps voting in a Conservative party that keeps fucking it up even more.
Are you going to explain the ramifications of that article or act all proud because – actually, fuck it. You’re an idiot.
Last page, RoninChaos asked you a question. I’m not his cheerleader or nuthin’, and the guy doesn’t need one, but I really, really want you to answer it.
Dr. B stopped using newspaper opinion pieces that sensationalize non-issues when he realized he was better off reading and studying facts.
I am going to play devil’s advocate, hospitals (county/state ones) have to see patients regardless of their ability to pay. At our hospital we have a large amount of uninsured/medicaid patients who don’t pay anything and there is no incentive for them not to come to the ER for their cold/flu/headache or to get free drugs. The problem with free health care is that if someone doesn’t have to pay anything for it, then it doesn’t have any value to the individual. If we are to have reform, then we have to do something to keep people from going to the ER which costs the hospital 500-1000 bucks per visit considering all of the tests that have to be run. Even when they have medicaid, it will rarely cover the total cost. Sure our hospital has a policy that non emergent patients are charged 100 dollars and sent elsewhere, but VERY few doctors are willing to do it for liability reasons.