Dizzying on the giants is kind of inconsistant. I’m sure they will still be vulnerable to dizzies
the new properties of PTX’s 6B4B really got me thinking.
PTX can combo 2B into 6B4B already. I’ll assume this can still be done.
the new 6B4B basically has the same hit type as a rocket or a doronjo palm tree bomb and sends them pretty high. The attack does have recovery, but it’s a normal and not a special, so that means you can combo pretty much any ground special from it now. This completely devaluates the 3C > [4]6A/B combo, because it’s going to be so much easier to combo tackle from this instead of a launcher, and 6B4B is faster than the launcher anyway.
Thanks to new chainsaw mechanics, you could even combo it into a knockdown chainsaw into OTG 2C, or baroque chainsaw into riot tackle!
Being able to hit with all 5 hits of j.5C in the air is also going to be really cool. Launcher combos into 5C will actually do some real damage, so perhaps the launcher won’t be devaluated after all.
So PTX is now Sentinel’s little slower fat bro?
I wouldn’t dare put him in the same league as Sentinel…
At least Sentinel didn’t have unblockable rockets, which is something PTX can really boast about.
Seriously, PTX has some of the easiest free damage of any fighter if you consider the rockets and the level 1 super with rockets. It’s very nice to know that you can almost always have something to hurt the opponent with at some point in the match.
Yeah, PTX is a good nice robot who likes playing for fun against the opponent, while Sentinel is a big bastard who enjoys seeing the opponent suffer, but I like them both.
Is good to see some Giants actions, the buffs are really noticeable, I loved seeing 2c work after lvl3 super, that was something that I didn’t expect, I was like “WAT” when I saw that, haha. And lightan now has a few more options to use his supers, that’s good.
I’m glad the giants will be more usable now, maybe we will see them on tourneys now. At least more than before.
PTX won Evo singles and teams, and both PTX and Lightan appeared in SBO top 8.
Oh yeah, I know about the PTX and Lightan appeared in SBO at the top 8, Although I have to admit that I forgot about what happened at EVO, but what I was trying to say it’s that maybe we will see them more than before, since before we could only saw like 3 - 5 giants participating in tourneys, these buffs will be really helpful for them on their way to get a victory against other caracters.
In an case, thanks for mentioning the feats that the giants have done so far, I totally forgot about EVO.
I was just counterpointing that we already saw them more than enough, because PTX was loads better than most realized. Lightan was the worst character in the game, hands down, but still countered quite a few teams and in japan’s format without counterpicking, found his way into SBO.
With PTX’s buffs, you should be terrified. Pray he has less life than before. Lightan is serious now too. More mobility and MORE life.
I just dont know HOW MUCH MORE you want to see them.
I have a sneaking suspicion that unless the giants have something that turns out to be OMFukkenJebus tier we probably won’t see them get exceedingly more use than we did in CGOH. Not that they’ll get any less play but I don’t expect a whole lot more simply by virtue of the fact that they have to be played differently. Unless there’s a glaring buff any dope could take advantage of I’d venture a guess that a lot of players would opt to stick with “standard” characters rather than try to figure out how the giants work. Only a select percentage of players would see the giants as characters they’d want to main. I don’t think that’s a bad thing, mind you. Just something I expect will happen.
Gold Lightan and PTX made it to the top 8 in SBO and there wasn’t any DVD footage of them?
THIS MAKES ME SAD
I don’t really expect a lot of giants appearing in future tourneys, but 1 or 2 more players using giants would be nice, but even so, for example I don’t really want a whole tournament filled with giants, not in a extremism way as you can see, but I say this all based on my situation, in my case I don’t see a lot of Giants around here since they have hard moments against Tekkaman or Saki (who are characters that a lot of people uses around here), but that will change a bit now.
And yeah, I’m aware of how powerful PTX is, I have yet to found someone who uses Gold Lightan here in my country to start to fight him seriously, now that he will be more powerful, I think I will need to experience that matchup.
PTX looks solid now, but it does kind of look like they’re hitting a lot of the mid tier characters with buffs anyways, so I think it makes sense.
I also agree that he won’t get played very often still, most people don’t have the patience or correct mindset to play one of those big slow bastards properly, also giant v. giant matches are fuckin’ boring.
Last thing. Sentinel? You’ve gotta be kidding me. I don’t care how many buffs he gets, he’s not going to be sent.
Ugh, stop saying that PTX will be uber tier now just because he got a bunch of buffs. (ok, serious buffs, but it doesn’t change the overall character)
Previously, the giants had to cower in fear of getting hit with just one lariat or karas chain. Saki molests both of them horribly and there are still many matchups that caused them grief, even if it boiled down to Ken runaway tactics.
What most of you don’t realise is that while PTX does have nice rushdown, that rushdown has big holes in it when you pushblock. Since nobody actually knows about frame data right now, things such as Karas being able to hit PTX with a chain after blocking ANY non-baroqued special move (including A version riot tackle and chainsaw) aren’t really being put to play. Most people tend to sit and block when PTX is on the offensive, since hardly anyone plays him and hardly anyone knows what’s safe and what’s not.
Not to mention that I rarely see anyone using Yami tactics against PTX or Lightan. Guess what guys, in TvC UAS, the giants can’t use megacrash tricks after grabbing to get guaranteed damage. Blocking any hit gives you chip baroque. Just attacking the giants through their super armour slows down their attacks tremendously and gives you a ton of time to baroque and block before they move. And when you block that hit, you get more chip baroque to keep attacking. 
. Lightan at least has fast jabs but PTX’s jabs are a bit slower, Ryu can do a regular ABC attack string before PTX can even hit him with a 2B, and can baroque before it hits.
Giants can be predictable. They don’t have team options and can’t do half of the tricks that the other characters can do, and there are still many ways to gimp them. They cannot regain red life and have overall less health than two characters combined, so they’re still very fragile. Sure, you can’t rip them apart with infinites now, and should a problem ever arise, you can always fall back on counter-picking with Saki, who has also been buffed and is a lot more scary in her current state than PTX IMO.
Also, I don’t think you should be saying lightan has ‘more mobility’ as if his dropkick is going to end all of his mobility problems. It now gives him one (slow starting) option to close in, and only if he has baroque as opposed to his zero effective options before. He still doesn’t have safe aerials on landing like PTX, nor a jump cancel.
Youtubed videos for anyone who wants em:
Lightan: [media=youtube]cWorNK0ta7s[/media]
PTX: [media=youtube]4tnWh-CsZj0[/media]
Is it just me, or has lightan’s chip damage been reduced a bit? His jabs don’t seem to deal any visible chip damage to chunli after the breakaway.
Hence why I said that annoying fat little brother. 
Anyway, wow, even Lightan made it in there? That’s amazing! What lacks is footage. D:
Why am I tempted to draw PTX as a bunny rabbit?
I like this character way too much.
Really, I think the most under used Yami tataic is the Launcher to 9 or 7. It is stupid safe and nothing that giants can really do about it. You can wash and repeat that shit for ever and not need to use baroque. Giants are really only good if you do not play against giants and if you do not counter pick.
Run away more because they have really no answer for a good stall. Make them have to do stupid things to get in/Baroque to make it safe. After a good 25 seconds of runaway if you do not have a health lead then you are fucking up and will never beat a good giant.
I still play PTX because he seems Baroque but my hommies have figured out that a good runaway with any one will really hurt the giants, and make them do things they really do not want to. (Always trying to close space and having to waste baroque which will end up killing them in a time over match.)
LvL 3’s are rape on them and stall gets you the bars to do them.
A good PTX is not going to let you use laucher tricks like that, because PTX usually pokes with j.5C when approaching, which gives him almost a full body hitbox. Dash-cancelled j.5C has like a 6 frame startup. PTX should also be blocking or using 6B4B when you’re right up close. Furthermore, if PTX blocks your launcher, you can’t cancel it without baroque and you’ll most likely eat a 2B or a dash-cancelled j.5C
Runaways ARE a problem for the giants, moreso PTX than Lightan due to PTX’s range. However, if PTX gets used to your pattern, he can start using his guns to annoy you in the air, or carefully timed riot tackles to close in the distance. Lightan can’t chase, but he can hit high. PTX can’t hit high, but he can chase.
And yep. Megacrash isn’t usually the best thing on giants because if you use it you’re going to get caught in pressure immediately afterwards. Best to use it for those level 3s.
PTX is still good even if you do know what to do against him, but hardly unbeatable as everyone knows and I doubt this will change.
I love how Squirrle talks. I am almost used to it so I no longer get frustrated. Lol.
Ok sometimes I think you have not realized yet that every time I talk about the Giants I am talking about a team variation with Tekkaman as the second all the time. The only other giant team I have is Voltt/Ippatsuman in that order, because I already play that team in a reverse order. I still would never play a tourney match against any Giant player without using Tekkaman as my second. There just is no reason not to in a 2 out of 3 format when you can change you team after losing. If Voltt/Ippatsuman gets beat out then know Somebody/Tekkaman will beat them down. (somebody consits of Voltt, Batsu, Casshern, Ippatsuman, Chun-li, Doronjo) With all of those characters, good PTX or the best will still get “hurt” by " laucher tricks like that" followed by runaway with lvl 3, except for Voltt who if he has 3 lvl and Tekkaman as his assists Ptx Needs to give it up for sure.
So you mean to tell me that I dash in and use 5A, 2A, 3C-> 9 or 7, variations on you and you have a good way to stop it? I mean with good/ best characters in the game you really have an answer for that? Yatterman really is where that can really shine but still, Casshern, Ken, Chin-li, Karas. You can really stop all of them from doing " laucher tricks like that?" Cool I stand corrected. My Bad.
Run away and use lvl3. The giants have no stop for those two things.
If you are stupid like me then you will try" laucher tricks" to help gain bar fast and get Baroque like mad.