Hmm thanks, you got my brain working now. I was trying to get a dash in after a ex dp xx ex air Kunai and nothing was fitting in. Looks like Kunai release variants are the answer.
I very rarely wake up DP, so when I do land one I want the biggest momentum shift possible
@OceanSalt
Itās certainly tough going from Laura to Ibuki. Lauraās ground game is much more advantageous, with a lot of really good buttons, fast burst mobility (worse positional mobility), and some really nice conversions. Every hit leads to more hits, and more often than not, a typical guess: meaty or command grab. Get good enough to just go for regular throws into HP elbow punishes for people who jump away, and you can pretty easily dominate people.
Ibukiās ability to retain pressure is a lot harder, with most of her pressure buttons being mediums/lights. She also gets no where near the reward Laura gets for each CC, and due to her heavies not being the best as a whole in neutral save for f.HK, well, you lose out a lot of potential damage.
No fireball to ease your way in or pressure your opponent, so you have to rely on Ibukiās many, but very positioning dependent moves for dealing with them. In the end though, no matter the option, you will never end up right next to your opponent by doing so. Slide leaves you far if you distance it right, and is unsafe otherwise, a Kunai will be deflected, f.HK isnāt really something that can be done on reaction, and while EX raida is very good, it pushes the opponent very far away, putting you back where you were to begin with. Jump-ins, and more specifically jump Kunais seems like the easiest way to close the distance with Ibuki. With time I have slowly been increasing my accuracy on hitting my opponentās toes, to gain advantage when done.
Ibuki is a lot more tricky. You really have to mix-up her options, you canāt just rinse repeat combo enders and expect to have the same threat that Laura does when she knocks you down or hits you up-close. So while it sounds unnecessary, I think learning as many mix-ups on your combo enders is probably the most important thing to playing Ibuki. Never let your opponent get comfortable with what is going on. However, itās also important to practice each one yourself. This game does not really let you go by āfeelsā when it comes to timings, so if youāre off on a reset option, well, youāre going to get jabbed, and jabbed again.
I also think itās really important to be as annoying as possible. Poking people who keep walking back and forth a lot with Kunais, even testing them with Kunai reloads from a distance ā Ibukiās playstyle really seems to focus on screwing with a playerās composure before her stuff can work. Then thereās also her V-trigger stuff, but you canāt depend on that, strong as it is. People play a lot different when she has V-trigger, and that generally means a lot more defensive.
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Ibuki is a difficult character, to be sure. The payoff is remaining to be seen, but weāll see. Personally, I am seeing growth with my Ibuki play, and thatās what matters most. Still no where near my Laura though as far as winrate, but itās improving each time I play. I plan to take the rocky trip back to ranked pretty soon.
I remember a time when Ken players were moaning about how negative he was on block and a time when Laura players were complaining that she had no 2 hit medium confirm and sketch AA. The characters are designed to approach hit confirming and neutral a bit differently from one another, so the work has to start to figure that out with Ibuki.
I feel ultimately she is designed to work around building her V Trigger like Necalli. She gets good walk speed to force the issue of landing buttons and building meter/v gauge, but her buttons themselves are lowered in priority to force an emphasis on building towards the bombs and giving you that combo/offense game that will really make people scared. Thatās also why I feel eventually her V Skill will be used with a similar level of regularity as Necalliās. It beats most buttons once active and when players learn how to space it and when to use it, theyāll get to the bombs faster.
Sheās tough. Her pokes are nowhere near as good as in sf4 I feel. Iāve had much more success with kunais. Air and ground,mit seems that sako is taking that path as well. In game her v skill seems to lack range or whateverā¦but itās easy to wiff and get punishedā¦ Having said that, itās the same for necallisā¦ I still regularly get v trigger at half health, but a lot of times canāt take advantage of thatā¦ But the character is still young, there is much to be learned.
Iām definitely struggling within the first week of playing her, but I feel that Iām just not playing her to her fullest potential. I look at it that way, because not everyone plays ibuki the same. Sako being the almighty player that he is, makes it seem so easy is because it naturally clicked. But this goes to every other top player that picks ibuki and puts in work.
With new information coming in everyday and seeing people working together, only bringās a little step further to understanding her. You guys are doing a great job. Not enough people give ibuki player props, seriously.
I donāt have much to report from my findingās for ibuki for now. Thereās some footage I have to go through and see what I got.
really guys? i have been cleaning the floor with online platinums/super platinum just using basic fundamentals, my week one Ibuki training and raida L into more pressure, into more pressure, etc etc. They should be the ones losing this week, they dont know our tricks yet. Also, absolutely everyone is eating the Sako bomb reset setup. It is ridiculous how no one in the online population can block in this game properly.
So far the characters i have found tough to deal with Ibuki are Alex, Chun, Fang and Rashid, everything else seems ok for her. Cammy seems like a super favourable matchup for Ibuki in my experience. And Rashid might be hard for me just because this character is a different beast online. Same for Alex! people are so random with those two specially on lag. Im happy that i found my anti-Laura character at the very least lol. I believe Ibuki beats Laura.
Thanks to everyone. I instinctively made use of kunais a lot, they are simply one of the best pokes in the game and thank God Capcom thought of not giving her an unlimited amount because otherwise some MUs wouldāve been simply disgusting (Iām talking about Gief of course). I feel Ibuki needs to play ranged until youāre able to set up something and then go in like mad. Luckily she probably has the best set of escape options in the entire game, so if you find yourself in a nasty situation you can always use slide, glide or DP to reset everything.
In the end I think itās just the usual crisis when I switch to a new character. I had the same issues when I started playing Vega and didnāt have a clue about his gameplan and now I can handle him good enough to beat mainers of other characters. I hope Iāll eventually figure it out because I feel she has a lot of potential.
I think thatās one of my main issues with her. Iām so not used to rely on the V-meter with Laura that I even forgot to use the VT when I have it availableā¦
I think the Laura vs Ibuki MU is pretty even. In spite of their different buttons they are characters similarly built around mixups and tricks; Ibuki can deal (literally) explosive damage on VT while Laura has for her more health and much safer pressure. And of course, Ibukiās EX DP gives her a powerful tool to interrupt all of Lauraās strings. It all boils down to who makes the first mistake at the end.
Ibuki pressure is safer than laura but imo she beats laura not because of their buttons but because ibuki tools change the momentum pace 180 degrees from a vreversal, dp or anything really. Laura is a strong character when she gets momentum and ibuki basically doesnt care about it given that she get the resources to counter laura. Ibuki defense is much better than laura despite low health so one knockdown and she is not hopeless unlike laura for this matchup.
Other advantages include ex raida going through thunder special, kunais for superior range game and vtrigger bomb setups being better than all of laura setups. It might be too soon to judge matchups but a little analyze doesnt hurt. At the very least it is MUCH better looking than laura vs vega for me lol
Whatās your cfn? You might be into a strategy that Iām not. Admittedly I havenāt had much time to play and basically still have a day 2 ibuki (work sucks)
I personally think the issue is letting players respect you. Iāve been trying to find plays for that. And for now Iām seeing her TC as a way.
D.mp-f.hk they usually respect that entirely and block.
The real issue isnāt her stubby normals but when we get in how do we make them respect us.
My s.HK AA keeps getting stuffed (especially by Ryuās it seems), should I be using b.MP or DP?
Most likely just spacing it wrong. From far range it beats Ryu j.LK clean. If you do it too close heāll j.LK on top of the area where thereās no hit box and stuff it. Itās a heavy button which means it will also beat any medium or light jump in on a trade (priority system).
If he jumps in from closer range Iāve been successful with c.HP since as long as you see it quickly enough the hit box usually goes past his hit box to AA. b+MP can work too cuz its fastet, but the hit box seems more picky on b+MP. EX DP can work too, but not sure about regular DP. Might cause trade sometimes.
Try c.hp, I always get a free mixup by canceling it into lk command dash and staggering my movement so it looks really ambiguous.
@Dime_x my id is serpentaurus. Add me on cfn i will be playing later today.
Thanks guys, Iām having a lot of trouble dealing with cross-ups and stuff because I always want to AA them but fail. I feel like I should start just dashing out of them
I wonāt be home for a few days so i wonāt be online or have access to a computer for a bit.
The correct way to anti air a close jump forward that will crossup you is not cr.HP, it is jump upback grab or jump upback j.LP. or you just walk forward and get out of range. well timed standing normals are also capable of beating crossups, i would think ibuki s.lp and s.MP are good for that. Also, we have autocorrect kazekiri. Ibuki HAS defense. Not many characters have as many defense options as her.
Ok let me know when you are up to play.
You should also work on trying to stand in positions where they canāt cross you up so you will have to anti air less in that position to begin with. Like Serp said, youāre going to have to jump or move once theyāre in cross up range. If theyāre doing something that will obviously cross up (and you donāt have time to AA or move out) then just block and/or tech.
Yeah, her anti airs are God like. Just have to get used to the spacing, timings, and proper move selection based on the situation.
If people stick with this character they will be terrifying with enough practice
Of course if you played Vega I understand why Ibuki looks much stronger against Laura lol
While I agree about Ibukiās better defense, you still have to consider that Ibukiās ressources are limited - you need EX meter to use an invincible reversal, your kunais need to be refilled and using VRev may mean giving up on using the VT bombs. Itās not like a Cammy, Ryu or Necalli that can DP, jab or poke at any moment to kill the momentum. So in the end she have more or less the same tools as Laura. Lauraās pressure and oki on the other hand are much scarier and less gimmicky than Ibukiās.
I still think that this MU will end up being a 5-5 at worst. Time will tell moreā¦